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Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by andyferris »

tentacleuno wrote: post #16
allan_s wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that Meta collect so many data about you for that purpose. Data which then can be used for purpose we didnt accept in the first place. If you remove this kind of advertising you remove a big reason to collect and keep these data. "Why people are so vehemently against leaving their door open for the amazon delivery guy to put the package they ordered indoor instead of outside in the rain, they pay for a…

> Data which then can be used for purpose we didnt accept in the first place. The obvious counter-argument is that, somewhere in the 100(+?)-page ToS, User Agreement, EULA, Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy documentation, you did. We really need to make new laws to force companies to explain, in plain (terse) English, what they're doing with our data -- everyone knows nobody reads those documents.

Well, beyond that I might argue we really need regulations about what terms are legally and socially acceptable, and what terms are unconscionable.

(EU privacy/data protection regulations already have some of these, and they were violated by Facebook, which is what the article is about).

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by piva00 »

cheriot wrote: post #38
PostOnce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is opposed to relevant ads on TV (I mean, not any more than they're opposed to ads in general). it's the means by which they make them relevant. No one would be cool if Facebook sent agents to your home each night to rifle through your drawers to learn about you and "tailor ads to you and make them more relevant". That's the problem, the data-collecting and spying.

I don't get the analogy. Facebook is using data you give them when using the app. How is that similar to invading your home?

No, they're using the data that FB trackers installed on pages to track conversion, display ads, etc. collects from you. Even if you do not use nor ever used anything produced by Facebook/Meta.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by [deleted] »

Someone wrote: post #2

Nitpick: the title if this article currently is “Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU” Either “Entire” shouldn’t be there, as Norway isn’t in the EU, or “EU” should be “European Economic Area” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area ). My Norwegian is almost nonexistent, but I think it’s the latter. It makes more sense to my understanding of law (why else would a Norwegian…

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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by _cenw »

javier2 wrote: post #28
dyno12345 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook 100% does not sell "tracking data" to advertisers or "private intelligence companies". I'd like to see an example of an ad platform that actually does this.

Isnt that what they did for Cambridge Analytics?

CA used a large variety of timewaster Facebook apps (Quizzes and the sort) to gain access to more user data than was likely ever intended, not just about the party that authorized the app, but also about their friends. They essentially extracted the entire social graph including likes and did all their extrapolation from there.

It is more Facebooks inaction despite being aware of this rather than their actions.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by phyrex »

javier2 wrote: post #28
dyno12345 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook 100% does not sell "tracking data" to advertisers or "private intelligence companies". I'd like to see an example of an ad platform that actually does this.

Isnt that what they did for Cambridge Analytics?

It is not. It was a data breach: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Cambridge_Analytica...

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by jpalawaga »

cheriot wrote: post #38
PostOnce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is opposed to relevant ads on TV (I mean, not any more than they're opposed to ads in general). it's the means by which they make them relevant. No one would be cool if Facebook sent agents to your home each night to rifle through your drawers to learn about you and "tailor ads to you and make them more relevant". That's the problem, the data-collecting and spying.

I don't get the analogy. Facebook is using data you give them when using the app. How is that similar to invading your home?

facebook is using a lot more data about you than 'when you use the app'.

every share button on the internet is basically a tracking pixel. who asked for that? nevermind network effects. nevermind intrusive, subversive attempts at tracking like the SDK shenangians. nevermind contact book uploads.

no, they're not invading your home. Gathering information about you from friends who DID let them in? Rifling through your garbage? A chase car to surveil your movements? Perhaps those are more apt comparisons.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

dyno12345 wrote: post #21
f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #19

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Targeted advertising creates an incentive to closely track and monitor users across the entire internet. This tracking data is then collated, packaged, and sold to various parties (advertisers, private intellegece companies, etc) Without targeted advertising this cottage industry and the associated data on people would not have as much of a reason (or any) to exist, improving privacy for the average person.

Facebook 100% does not sell "tracking data" to advertisers or "private intelligence companies". I'd like to see an example of an ad platform that actually does this.

This article has a pretty good description of data brokers.

https://clearcode.cc/blog/what-is-data-broker/

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by mynameisash »

ninjin wrote: post #14
PostOnce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is opposed to relevant ads on TV (I mean, not any more than they're opposed to ads in general). it's the means by which they make them relevant. No one would be cool if Facebook sent agents to your home each night to rifle through your drawers to learn about you and "tailor ads to you and make them more relevant". That's the problem, the data-collecting and spying.

Indeed, "opposed to relevant ads" is just a rhetorical trick or misunderstanding of the "opposing" position, akin to: "murdering babies" for abortion, "allowing criminals to go free" for maintaining privacy standards, "artists not getting paid" for opposing "modern" copyright, etc. The truth of the matter is that many positions are far more nuanced and complex; all in shades of grey.

Poisoning the well: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well
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