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Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

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Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

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post #11

What about all these porn stars who have sex while driving Tesla. They should definitely be guilty of dangerous driving. edit: link to the article about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7015229/Elon-Musk-r...

What's the point if you can so easily fake this without any of the safety issues? Hook the car and toe it, remove the toe bar in post, done.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#42
post #21

I saw a Tesla driving down I-5 yesterday and the person in the driver's seat was wearing headphones and holding their phone in a way that made it seem like they were playing video games (landscape mode, both thumbs hovering). In the passing lane. Barely doing the speed limit. Simply unacceptable on this highway where the right lane typically travels 0-5mph below the speed limit and the left lane travels 5-15mph over.…

> At the very least Tesla should have a "merge right when appropriate" priority in their Autopilot offering. It seems drivers all over the Bay area have forgotten this basic traffic-mitigating rule too. You expect this from a company that writes software that will intentionally roll through stop signs?!? Or that lets you set parameters on how much to exceed the speed limit by?

I love the european style of driving on the right, but blaming Tesla for not following it in California where doing the opposite is standard seems like going too far. I think Tesla reasonably is trying to match local conditions, and why shouldn't they? Making California drivers not pace each other on 2 lane roads & block all traffic, or making them cruise in the right lane rather than the left when they have the option, is a tough mission to add on top of creating FSD

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#43
post #2

Waymo claims to already have a better record than human drivers. How long before we read a similar case where a driver is accused of creating unsafe conditions by taking control of the car?

The same cars that comes to a halt because people put a traffic cone on the bonnet.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#44
post #4
post #2

Waymo claims to already have a better record than human drivers. How long before we read a similar case where a driver is accused of creating unsafe conditions by taking control of the car?

A while, there's only one car maker selling one car to the general public right now who's taking legal liability for crashes while their system is active.

Except that system turns itself off on the slightest hair trigger if it gets any inkling that another car might be present within ten miles.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#45
post #21

I saw a Tesla driving down I-5 yesterday and the person in the driver's seat was wearing headphones and holding their phone in a way that made it seem like they were playing video games (landscape mode, both thumbs hovering). In the passing lane. Barely doing the speed limit. Simply unacceptable on this highway where the right lane typically travels 0-5mph below the speed limit and the left lane travels 5-15mph over.…

A recipe for road rage incident where I live - he must be in laid back California.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#46
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Mercedes-Benz system is a glorified adaptive cruise control and has several limitations that Tesla autopilot does not have. > There must be a vehicle in front of your car, reasonable road conditions with readable markings and lines, and clear weather and light conditions. Drive Pilot can’t be used at night or in the rain, and the headlights and wipers must be set to auto for it to work. > It’s also only availabl…

It is just very fancy cruise control but it's still very significant to the whole "will a person ever get in trouble for taking over from the automated system" discussion that they're the only ones taking legal responsibility while the system is active. Everyone else including Tesla puts all the legal weight on you to stay constantly alert and take over for the system.

Don’t worry, Mercedes will also put the legal weight on you by disabling the system well in advance of any potentially risky segments of road. So their promise is essentially PR fakery. Don’t fall for it.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#47
post #34
post #6

Don't you have to defeat a safety interlock to allow hands off the wheel driving in a Tesla?

I think it "depends on the market". My Tesla Model Y 2023 in the Netherlands complains a lot if I take my hands off the steering wheel. Heck, it even complains sometimes when my hands are in the steering wheel! However, I rented a Model 3 in California through Hertz past month and it was much more lenient. I imagine I had to take my hands off for a period of time at least 5 times longer for it to start bothering, and…

Exactly, there are different regulations that cause them to have less capability and stricter nags in Europe.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#48
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to nudge the wheel every 30s or so, and respond to audible prompts to "wiggle" the wheel or steering control will be disabled for the rest of the drive.

I think its by distance. On the freeway its more "whiny" for you to wiggle wheel.

It also nags much more in certain "dangerous" situations. For example, too many traffic cones nearby or detected emergency vehicles. It has gotten pretty good at that last one, though it often alerts to emergency vehicles on the opposite side of a divided highway.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#49
post #21

I saw a Tesla driving down I-5 yesterday and the person in the driver's seat was wearing headphones and holding their phone in a way that made it seem like they were playing video games (landscape mode, both thumbs hovering). In the passing lane. Barely doing the speed limit. Simply unacceptable on this highway where the right lane typically travels 0-5mph below the speed limit and the left lane travels 5-15mph over.…

FSD does have a merge right rule, but it can be turned off. The sort of person who'd do what you describe sounds like someone that would turn it off too. :facepalm

Of course, it could also have been one of the cases where the car just navigated poorly and thinks it needs to be in the left lane for some reason. The vehicle's lane selection is not great, IMO.

Re: Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving

#50
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Mercedes-Benz system is a glorified adaptive cruise control and has several limitations that Tesla autopilot does not have. > There must be a vehicle in front of your car, reasonable road conditions with readable markings and lines, and clear weather and light conditions. Drive Pilot can’t be used at night or in the rain, and the headlights and wipers must be set to auto for it to work. > It’s also only availabl…

It is just very fancy cruise control but it's still very significant to the whole "will a person ever get in trouble for taking over from the automated system" discussion that they're the only ones taking legal responsibility while the system is active. Everyone else including Tesla puts all the legal weight on you to stay constantly alert and take over for the system.

It'd be interesting to read the legalese, one article states that it's on a case by case system. Since there are so many limitations, how will it deal with, say, there no longer being a car in front of you?
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