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Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

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Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

#41

I have to say I don't understand Elon's (Tesla's) reaction here. Surely he was advised on Swedish and EU laws and how things work over here before he decided to do business in Sweden?

Im not sure what you are saying. Strikebreakers are not illegal in EU. They aren't anywhere AFAIK, unions workers just dont like scabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikebreaker#Europe

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

#43
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Salaries Tesla pay are sufficient for Blue Card or similar permit.

> Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Other unions blackballing Tesla, and getting it fired as a customer. Good luck building cars when you can’t buy parts, or electricity. That would also have a high chance of escalating the issue from a labor dispute to a legal and political concern.

> Good luck building cars

Tesla doesn't build cars in Sweden. And Sweden accounts for a whopping 3% of Tesla's worldwide sales.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

#44

I have to say I don't understand Elon's (Tesla's) reaction here. Surely he was advised on Swedish and EU laws and how things work over here before he decided to do business in Sweden?

Tesla is not doing anything illegal as far as I understand.

Looks like there is an expectation that Tesla behaves in a certain way in Sweden because "that's way we've always done it" but that's not in law. Tesla is sticking to the law, as far as I understand.

I'm a bit uncomfortable about companies being criticised for sticking to the law.

Of course, if workes and unions disagree they can also use their legal rights to try to force Tesla to reconsider. But if they wanted to make all companies behave in a certain way they they should have put that in law.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

#45
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he may simply fire all locals and bring in all-foreign staff. What will stop him? Salaries Tesla pay are sufficient for Blue Card or similar permit.

Well, if that is even legal in Sweden (I'm not sure) - the striking workers could _physically_ stop this. And then there would be the question of the statutory limitations on Swedish state involvement in labor disputes. (And the union could also get in touch with such hires and explaining the situation to them, which is also likely to be somewhat effective in deterring this sort of scabbing.)

In .no the visa application process involves a form where the prospective employer states that we tried and failed to find employees in the country. I've written justification prose for that form. I would be astonished if there isn't a similar form in Sweden.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

#46
post #13

Bring it on. Let's union workers compete with non union workers.

Alternatively, let's just pay people a living wage and offer them safe working conditions. Unions are not the problem here, it's the working conditions. Unions form as a reaction to working conditions / terms. If there wasn't a problem, there wouldn't be a union.

Is the Swedish economy not doing well? Why can't the workers switch to companies that offer better working conditions?

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

#47

It's understandable that swedish language sources don't know this, but the English word for 'strikebreakers' is 'scabs.'

In the UK a 'scab' is usually a pejorative term for someone who does not strike, which is not the same as a strikebreaker.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

#48

I have to say I don't understand Elon's (Tesla's) reaction here. Surely he was advised on Swedish and EU laws and how things work over here before he decided to do business in Sweden?

Tesla is not doing anything illegal as far as I understand. Looks like there is an expectation that Tesla behaves in a certain way in Sweden because " that's way we've always done it " but that's not in law. Tesla is sticking to the law, as far as I understand. I'm a bit uncomfortable about companies being criticised for sticking to the law. Of course, if workes and unions disagree they can also use their legal right…

Companies are totally entitled to stick to the law, but they also need to then deal with the fact that narrow compliance with the law might bring them into conflict with parts of society (who in turn might stick to the law in dealing with them).

That said, we already have determined that generally just "sticking to the law" isn't a great defense in all situations anyway.

Re: Tesla threatens to bring in strikebreakers as Swedish workers strike

#50

I suppose Swedish Tesla workers have the same beneficial stock buying agreement that other countries have. No more of that if they are unionized.

Maybe. That has not been the case for the big American companies I have worked for here in Sweden. We always got the same benefits, including stock options etc, as everyone else in the companies. Not sure what the unions would say if a company tried to punish workers for being unionized, but I suspect they would not be happy about it, and there may very well be something in the collective agreement they want signed that already covers this.
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