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Drought in Brazil's Amazon reveals ancient engravings

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Re: Drought in Brazil's Amazon reveals ancient engravings

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People generally dont know it, but the facts/debate around the sophistication of populations thousands of years ago, and how those vary across geographies, is extremely political. There is generally an unseen hand that dictates the narrative around the distant human past. You can pull the facts together, but the full picture is almost never presented cohesively to the non academic population.

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Yeah, let's keep this chain of rude and non-informative comments going! /s

Re: Drought in Brazil's Amazon reveals ancient engravings

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post #38

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There have been droughts in the past. But a drought in the past would be no proof that climate change is not real.

Therefore, a drought in the present would be no proof that climate change is real.

Because the only proof we currently have of climate change is a drought.

Re: Drought in Brazil's Amazon reveals ancient engravings

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People generally dont know it, but the facts/debate around the sophistication of populations thousands of years ago, and how those vary across geographies, is extremely political. There is generally an unseen hand that dictates the narrative around the distant human past. You can pull the facts together, but the full picture is almost never presented cohesively to the non academic population.

I don’t think it’s political, but rather a matter of record. There is much more writing from Greece than the Amazon. Having the Iliad amounts to a cheat code in archaeology.

There are certainly political threads. American westward expansion had to be justified, for example, by claiming cultural superiority over the people who were being displaced.

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Like horses in the Americas. There is a narrative that horses were in the Americas, then died off, then were reintroduced by Spanish conquistadors. But, there is sporadic evidence that horses did exist in the Americas the entire time.

Mind sharing a link to that evidence?

I was also skeptical, seems there’s a lot more to this story. Not that they didn’t disappear and reappear, but the spread of them isn’t as straightforward as we thought.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/native-americans-s...

Re: Drought in Brazil's Amazon reveals ancient engravings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s political, but rather a matter of record. There is much more writing from Greece than the Amazon. Having the Iliad amounts to a cheat code in archaeology.

There are certainly political threads. American westward expansion had to be justified, for example, by claiming cultural superiority over the people who were being displaced.

Most of the Americans who did the actual westward expansion didn't bother with justification. They saw the land was lightly populated and took it.

Re: Drought in Brazil's Amazon reveals ancient engravings

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Like horses in the Americas. There is a narrative that horses were in the Americas, then died off, then were reintroduced by Spanish conquistadors. But, there is sporadic evidence that horses did exist in the Americas the entire time.

If this were true, surely it would be impossible to miss the genetic markers in modern American horses.

They might not have interbred- dogs existed in the Americas but left very little genetic mark. The chihuahua is a European breed that was bred to look like a dog that existed in Mexico.

Re: Drought in Brazil's Amazon reveals ancient engravings

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post #38

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There have been droughts in the past. But a drought in the past would be no proof that climate change is not real.

Therefore, a drought in the present would be no proof that climate change is real.

A single draught isn't enough proof. Frequency of draughts can be indivative.

Also, natural climate change also occurs, the current one is man made.

Re: Drought in Brazil's Amazon reveals ancient engravings

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post #46
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind sharing a link to that evidence?

I was also skeptical, seems there’s a lot more to this story. Not that they didn’t disappear and reappear, but the spread of them isn’t as straightforward as we thought. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/native-americans-s...

That article doesn't say they were there the whole time, but that they were (re)introduced a hundred years earlier via mexico
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