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The current top story is about Cruise, not Waymo? Am I missing something?
Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
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Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#42Same BS as usual, failing to control for where, when, and how crashes and incidents occur will alway make self driving look safer: they disable themselves in pretty much every situation where crash rates increase: night, rain, types of road, etc. A legitimate comparison would only compare self driving rates to human driven accidents in the same conditions. That these companies continue to repeat this kind of BS makes…
Seems like you wrote all of this out without realizing that they drive 24/7, regardless of weather, and they drive in all roads except highways (granted that's a big difference!) in the cities they're in.
Which is to say that most of what you just said is really misleading. The only part that seems relevant to me is the highway driving versus city driving.
Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#43Aren't they operating under a lot of constraints? The comparison should be with human drivers operating under similar conditions and on similar roads, similar cars(eg. new ones), weather conditions etc. Plus they have a fleet of support folks and standby remote and dispatchable operators which cannot be cheap, we get no insight into the financials except that they're losing several billion dollars a year. If at the e…
I’d like to see AVs compared to the average good driver. I’d bet it’s a lot closer in that case.
I'm not bullish on self driving cars, but that's a bit unfair. If their car performs better than 50% of the population, then that sounds like a success.
Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#44As discussed in the other recent thread, the self-driving industry loves to frame the question this way - How safe are they compared to human drivers? Their consistency and the energy they put into it should indicate how intentional and strategic it is.
To understand it, don't be swept along by their framing. Sophisticated communicators - and we can be certain that these businesses have hired some of them - as well as researchers know that framing the discussion is 75% of the battle. Once people accept your framing, you've won.
The questions to ask are: Why do they like this framing? What other ways are there to frame the questions? How do professionals (e.g., highway safety regulators) frame the safety issues?
Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#45I'd never really thought about it, but in a capitalist society like the US, this is how you really determine how safe something is: how much does it cost to insure?
Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#46It's important to remember they're only testing and using these cars in areas that don't have winters. The results don't extrapolate to driving in non-cherry picked areas. This article should only be considered re: the context of local SF politics and the recent Cruise revocation.
If you are comparing insurance rates then you are already comparing a similar area. If insurance companies would give you a discount if your car had self driving enabled that seems like a pretty sure fire guarantee that self driving is better.
Cheaper != safer or better... But at least it's observable
Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#47Aren't they operating under a lot of constraints? The comparison should be with human drivers operating under similar conditions and on similar roads, similar cars(eg. new ones), weather conditions etc. Plus they have a fleet of support folks and standby remote and dispatchable operators which cannot be cheap, we get no insight into the financials except that they're losing several billion dollars a year. If at the e…
I’ve taken more than two dozen rides and there haven’t been any manual interventions so far.
Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#48Same BS as usual, failing to control for where, when, and how crashes and incidents occur will alway make self driving look safer: they disable themselves in pretty much every situation where crash rates increase: night, rain, types of road, etc. A legitimate comparison would only compare self driving rates to human driven accidents in the same conditions. That these companies continue to repeat this kind of BS makes…
Almost nothing in your comment is true. Moreover you didn’t bother reading the article let alone the research data.
Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#49As discussed in the other recent thread, the self-driving industry loves to frame the question this way - How safe are they compared to human drivers? Their consistency and the energy they put into it should indicate how intentional and strategic it is. To understand it, don't be swept along by their framing. Sophisticated communicators - and we can be certain that these businesses have hired some of them - as well a…
Why is it a bad framing?
I would frame the question the same way.
Re: Waymo says insurance data shows its driverless cars are safer than humans
#50Aren't they operating under a lot of constraints? The comparison should be with human drivers operating under similar conditions and on similar roads, similar cars(eg. new ones), weather conditions etc. Plus they have a fleet of support folks and standby remote and dispatchable operators which cannot be cheap, we get no insight into the financials except that they're losing several billion dollars a year. If at the e…
I believe for the insurance purposes, this difference is irrelevant. The point is under the current condition, Waymo driverless cars are safer than human controlled cars, thus the question of liability and permit to operate should be cleared.
The question whether humans are truly inferior to robots in term of controlling cars is rather a question of ego than a practical one.