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Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by joshstrange »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #35
joshstrange wrote: post #29

And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

I've had a pi 4 running pi hole untouched for multiple years.

YMMV, that's why I stressed "in my experience". I'm aware some people find them rock solid, I'm just not one of those people.

I have docker containers running on my local app server that I literally never think about and have been humming away without issue for years (aside from server restarts or updates which I rarely need to do and it's often as easy as a `docker pull`). That's what I'm looking for, if it requires any more interaction then I'd rather pay more. I'm not saying "my time is worth so much" exactly, it's not like every hour of my day is packed full and I couldn't do some more server admin but I don't want to do that. I have the money (which isn't really all that much more) to avoid it so I do.

It's the same way that in my early 20's I cobbled together local storage servers full of shucked hard drives to save money and now I pay for a Synology and raw drives. I just don't want to spend my free time doing that anymore.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by spiderfarmer »

joshstrange wrote: post #29

And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

I have 3 pi’s, running piVPN, piHole and homebridge as well as 2 displays that show my website activity and statistics. They only broke one SD card in 6 years and I never tinker with them.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by eropple »

Narishma wrote: post #13
peppercat10 wrote: post #9

I wonder if the RPi5 is finally enough for browsing the web and watching media without hiccups. My experience with RPi4 was too sluggish.

That has more to do with the web ecosystem than the Raspberry Pi hardware.

It really doesn't. Cheap phones have browsed the web just fine for a long time, now. Raspberry Pi makes some weird hardware choices and have been suffering from it for a while. The insistence on SD cards (other manufacturers support eMMC or m.2 or both, and while RPi5 does now this has been the case elsewhere for A While) is the biggest problem with overall perf, including browsers.

I would expect the boards with the RK3588 to still be more pleasant to use than an RPi5, but the RPi5, used with an m.2 drive, should be significantly better.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by larme »

kkielhofner wrote: post #18
dtx1 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have 3 choices: 1. Raspberry Pi 2. X86 System 3. Barely functioning SOCs with no mainline support and major software issues until eternity.

> 2. X86 System A lot of the small/mini/micro form-factor systems (even ~five year old used corporate machines) are almost always the (significantly) better option at the price point. I bought a used Dell SFF system a couple of weeks ago for $119 that runs circles around the Pi in every way (16GB RAM, NVMe, real I/O, real USB, PCIe, six core i5, etc) while idling at 9 watts, which makes little difference in operating…

things micro pcs cannot do:

- rpi has GPIO pins

- many rpi boards' max power consumption is around the idling power consumption of a pc, rpi zero 2 can run off a standard usb A port of a laptop

- rpi zero 1/2, rpi 3A and rpi 4 has usb gadget mode which means it can be plugged to a notebook and two machines will connect over usb ethernet. That is especially helpful for debugging headless machines when in a hotel room (no wifi under your control, no ethernet cable).

- yes microsd is slow, but it's also cheap and easy to swap. That means you can: 1. if a board is broken then take out the card and insert it into another board. It will take you 2 minutes max and then everything will be exactly the same. 2. clone your entire microsd card as backup 3. you can swap different OS by swapping microsd. No need to partition your harddisk.

I do my development works on my iPad connecting to a remote VPS. And I always has a rpi zero 2 as my backup when I have no internet connection. You just connect ipad to zero2 using a usb-c to usb-c cable with a usb-c to micro usb adapter, then you can mosh from ipad to zero2 and keep programming. How wonderful!

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by tallanvor »

joshstrange wrote: post #29

And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

I have two Pi 3Bs that have been running as VPN hosts for two years now. I ssh in about once a month to verify that updates are applied, and they've just worked without a problem.

Where I've had problems with other Pis has mostly come down to power supplies that don't deliver enough power. Getting a properly sized power supply will likely solve a lot of your issues.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by edgyquant »

justin66 wrote: post #20
dividedbyzero wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people buy these on a finite hobby budget.

Is there some missing context here, like "...and they only have ten dollars to spend on hobbies during the entirety of 2023 due to the famine wracking their homeland?" I mean, when you're talking about things (items in your "finite hobby budget") that cost less than a hundred dollars, why are you going to fuss about the "price point?" I am intrigued by how much this appears to matter to people who comment on Raspberr…

This is such an out of touch comment. Not every, definitely not a majority, hobbyist spend thousands of dollars on their hobby. You sound like a rich kid who doesn’t understand $8 milk is expensive.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by eropple »

bhouston wrote: post #22
amelius wrote: post #2

But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

Orange PI 5 Plus is faster (10% faster single threaded, 200% faster multicore per Geekbench) and also supports up to 32GB of memory. It has decent support, but not anything like the Raspberry Pi ecosystem. So if you want a SBC that is fast for special well defined projects, go with Orange PI 5 Plus, but if you want one for arbitrary hobby projects with tons of support everywhere, go with the Raspberry Pi series.

I have both two OPi5's and an OPi5 Plus, and honestly? It's not a problem. Armbian support's there and is emphatically Good Enough for the 90%+ case. They're excellent boards.

If you want to talk about bad support, let's talk about something like the NanoPi R5 series. Oof.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

esskay wrote: post #36
joshstrange wrote: post #29

And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

I've used Pi's dating back to the first one (even had one from the first batch manually packaged up by Eben and co). They're good, but arent without their issues. Power management has been a consistent problem with every single Pi. That combined with the Raspberry Pi Trading Co's behaviour over the last couple of years made me move to alternatives. Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc that is capable of…

> Once an 8GB pi cost more than an i3 or i5 mini pc

But the Pi probably costs less once you factor in energy costs, no?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by joshstrange »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #42
joshstrange wrote: post #29

And they are promptly out of stock, I assume. I've owned every Raspberry Pi since the first one but I think the 4 was my last one. They are fun to tinker with with but not great for long-term use in my experience. I felt like I had to babysit it way too often, it absolutely wasn't a "setup an forgot" device, again in my experience. It'd be rock solid for 2-3 months then randomly stop working, rinse and repeat. A litt…

I have 3 pi’s, running piVPN, piHole and homebridge as well as 2 displays that show my website activity and statistics. They only broke one SD card in 6 years and I never tinker with them.

I haven't used homebridge in 2 years at least but that was one the least reliable pieces of software in my experience. I've seen people online talk about how it's rock solid for them and others talk about how it's flakey. I'm in the latter camp. After the 3rd or 4th time I had to re-add everything to the Home app after my "hub" went sideways I gave up and transferred the 1 plugin I maintained to someone else since I stopped using it. I even ran homebridge on docker as well as my a RaspberryPi but never had good luck.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by peppercat10 »

treve wrote: post #26
peppercat10 wrote: post #9

I wonder if the RPi5 is finally enough for browsing the web and watching media without hiccups. My experience with RPi4 was too sluggish.

Not saying this applies, but: The speed of the raspberry pi goes up dramatically when using a fast USB disk instead of micro SD. Most people start with a micro SD, and I had no idea how much faster a Pi could go.

It does apply to me - I never tried it with a USB disk. I'm getting an RPi5 eventually, and I'll try this out. Thanks for sharing!
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