Ticketmaster has exclusive deals with artists and venues. Artists not signing deals with Ticketmaster lose access to venues, and venues not signing exclusivity deals with Ticketmaster lose access to artists. There are enough of these on both sides that neither wants to lose the other so they sign. Side note: I worked at a small ticketing software shop circa the Ticketmaster/LiveNation merger. The CEO got a call from…
Perhaps if there were enough big artists to get together and "strike" against Live Nation/Ticketmaster exclusive venues something might change for the better for their fans. But, alas, that money too good.
Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
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Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#42Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#43Ticketmaster has exclusive deals with artists and venues. Artists not signing deals with Ticketmaster lose access to venues, and venues not signing exclusivity deals with Ticketmaster lose access to artists. There are enough of these on both sides that neither wants to lose the other so they sign. Side note: I worked at a small ticketing software shop circa the Ticketmaster/LiveNation merger. The CEO got a call from…
Perhaps if there were enough big artists to get together and "strike" against Live Nation/Ticketmaster exclusive venues something might change for the better for their fans. But, alas, that money too good.
Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#44Kind of like back in the day when Intel & Microsoft imposed drastic licenses on Dell and HP that you couldn't get Windows license if you shipped ANY linux or non-windows laptops, Ticketmaster has the tremendous power of blacklisting non-conforming venues.
And then there's the REALLY SHADY stuff they do like hiring competitor executives who bring over their passwords, excels and accounts (https://www.directitcorp.com/blog/ticketmaster-caught-access... and other ridiculously wrong stuff like this https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ticketmaster-resellers-las-... . Just start google search with "TicketMaster Caught..." and you'll find fascinating stuff that should be made up but isn't.
Basically they are a big evil bully.
Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps if there were enough big artists to get together and "strike" against Live Nation/Ticketmaster exclusive venues something might change for the better for their fans. But, alas, that money too good.
Sounds anticompetitive to me, antitrust action should be taken.
On one hand, free markets involve sellers and buyers coming together freely which exclusivity contracts prohibit, but on the other hand exclusivity contracts are nominally voluntary agreements which is a free exchange. Perhaps free-exchange simply isn't a useful framing here.
Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most artists generate nearly all of their income from tours.
Not to be pendantic, but could you please provide some general numbers or cite any source for this
Literally a web search will give you plenty. The NYT even did an article about it.
Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#47From what I've heard from folks in the industry, literally no one else is capable of handling the biggest artists like Taylor Swift.
Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#48The first thing to point out is that the question itself is flawed. Ticketmaster has a number of competitors (StubHub, Eventbrite, AXS, Seatgeek). Nevertheless, artists do seem to always gravitate to companies like Ticketmaster, even when neither they nor their venue have any affiliation.
What we should ask is what problems a naive artist would face selling their tickets like any other commodity:
- They overprice it: No one shows up, people are angry at the artist, the artist is in debt to the venue for overbooking.
- They underprice it: The tickets are hoovered up by scalpers who capture most of the ticket's true value, fans are disappointed they can't attend because finding a ticket is much harder.
Ticketmaster's (et al) primary service is to capture as much of the value of each ticket as possible (through phased ticket rollouts, faux-sellouts, variable pricing, attendance modelling, etc.) and package the event wholesale for the venue and artist. Both parties are can be guaranteed of some portion of the event before tickets even go on sale and the risk for them both is diminished.
Obviously I'm not trying to say Ticketmaster is all sunshine and lollipops, but if you want to make an argument about Ticketmaster's success, saying that they've cornered the ticketed events market globally is ludicrous.
Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#49Ticketmaster is a company which is so hated, people ascribe their success to malice and illegal activity rather than any compelling economic arguments. It's unfortunate because their business model is, imo, quite interesting. The first thing to point out is that the question itself is flawed. Ticketmaster has a number of competitors (StubHub, Eventbrite, AXS, Seatgeek). Nevertheless, artists do seem to always gravita…
Re: Ask HN: Why has no one replaced Ticketmaster?
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps if there were enough big artists to get together and "strike" against Live Nation/Ticketmaster exclusive venues something might change for the better for their fans. But, alas, that money too good.
Sounds anticompetitive to me, antitrust action should be taken.