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Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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They point to natural and temporary causes but the effect highlights at least two challenges that will complicate combating climate change: 1) Comprehensive monitoring of local releases into the atmosphere will be required to prevent ugly surprises and 2) Human impact interacts with natural phenomena in difficult to predict ways (the famous tipping points are effectively non-reversible examples of this)

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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Wasn't there a story about satellite imagery detecting massive CFC releases in China from expandable foam? Edit: found one... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/23/china-factorie...

China, behind the surface, is very anarchic, bejing can make rules all it wants but the local government beyond surface placation won't honor the spirit and restart production of all kind of stuff. Which is fascinating, cause as soon as party rule is threatened, that very same principle ceases to apply.

> China, behind the surface, is very anarchic, bejing can make rules all it wants but the local government beyond surface placation won't honor the spirit and restart production of all kind of stuff.

While I concede that populations with livable-experience spanning millennia tends to drive Societies in that direction. I think it's more accepting a certain amount of tolerable corruption: China is incredibly corrupt, and will go to great lengths to window dress in order to appear to be either compliant or at least effectively operating within acceptable parameters. This is a common attribute of totalitarian regimes, wherein your proximity to power is what ultimately dictated the level of severity with which you will be punished, my first experience with this was with food: specifically that of organically grown food and came ot a head during the baby formula poisoning event which led to a black-market in HK. Then we saw this first hand how the CCP dealt with Bitcoin, and its continual 'banning' despite Bitmain being led not just by a Chinese national, and then a very member of the CCP itself, but even exchanges like Hubei thrived in this time and held on to a majority of the hash rate.

Long story short: Bitcoin is now banned but there are still a significant amount of miners in mainland despite all the theatrics.

There is nothing Anarchic about it, its blatant favoritism that coincides with all class based structures that congruently emerge within a State: despite all the rhetoric of equality within Socialist/Communist doctrine would lead you to believe it makes you wonder if this isn't EXACTLY what they all lead to. I'm sympathetic to the class inequality of Socialism, and even see the (often misinformed) tenets of Marxism tries to remedy and it's long-term aims but... it's theoretical and practical applications wildly differ from the former and the only result that remains constant is that lots of people end up dying in starvation, pointless wars and land/ecosystems are often destroyed for generations in the process: this came very apparent to me outside of ideological purview during my apprenticeship in horticulture in E. European countries that I visited and then once more when I was living near a hotspot of the collapse of Yugoslavia.

They were taking out mines and other un-exploded ordinance from what was my community's front yard less than a Km away from a park near a marina where mothers walked with strollers around Marina and Promenade and about ~2Km from my very home.

>Which is fascinating, cause as soon as party rule is threatened, that very same principle ceases to apply.

Fascinating isn't the term you want to use here, and I take it you have no one in Tibet, Xinjiang or Hong Kong, because of you did you would see this from an entirely different lens, and nothing is fascinating about it unless you enjoy pointless Human misery/death/subjugation.

It's almost like the application of Law is circumstantial and based on a litany of factors that create an insular ruling class that have no qualm with erasing History by force: even the norms of genocide (HK is mainly Han) ethno-cleansing (Xinjiang) fall apart but are not off the table in order for the CCP to cement it's rule at all costs in ways that actually matter.

The only real experiment of Anarchism that was remotely allowed to stand in China was Kowloon's walled city [0], and to no one's surprise the CCP has been doing everything to hide it's 'shame' and 'colonized' past ever since the uprising in 2019, forcing everyone out and bulldozing the area under 'renovation' and offering the HongKongers little to nothing in return in the process.

0: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/kowloon-walled-city

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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Wasn't there a story about satellite imagery detecting massive CFC releases in China from expandable foam? Edit: found one... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/23/china-factorie...

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If you find yourself often linking two totally disimilar things like this you should probably do some introspection.

I know it is popular to tell oneself: "but China", so one can stop thinking about what we can do, but China as of 2023 has 3 times (!) the capacity of installed renewable energy than the US.

You can always find some metric where your side looks better and the other worse, the trick is not to let yourself use it to excuse your own bullshit unless you love to actively harm yourself.

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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Wasn't there a story about satellite imagery detecting massive CFC releases in China from expandable foam? Edit: found one... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/23/china-factorie...

China, behind the surface, is very anarchic, bejing can make rules all it wants but the local government beyond surface placation won't honor the spirit and restart production of all kind of stuff. Which is fascinating, cause as soon as party rule is threatened, that very same principle ceases to apply.

Any sufficiently big country is very anarchic in that sense. US and India are made of literal states. Russia resembles a medieval feudal structure. UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and it all would be about 5% population of China. An idea that someone or something could govern such a huge amount of people directly and controlling all aspects of life and economy looks absurd to me.

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

China, behind the surface, is very anarchic, bejing can make rules all it wants but the local government beyond surface placation won't honor the spirit and restart production of all kind of stuff. Which is fascinating, cause as soon as party rule is threatened, that very same principle ceases to apply.

> China, behind the surface, is very anarchic, bejing can make rules all it wants but the local government beyond surface placation won't honor the spirit and restart production of all kind of stuff. While I concede that populations with livable-experience spanning millennia tends to drive Societies in that direction. I think it's more accepting a certain amount of tolerable corruption: China is incredibly corrupt, a…

I've heard from a law student in China that the law is a tool to control the masses. Assuming that is true, ignoring the law is simply taking things under control and bribery is the cost of doing business.

Re: Ozone hole goes large again

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China, behind the surface, is very anarchic, bejing can make rules all it wants but the local government beyond surface placation won't honor the spirit and restart production of all kind of stuff. While I concede that populations with livable-experience spanning millennia tends to drive Societies in that direction. I think it's more accepting a certain amount of tolerable corruption: China is incredibly corrupt, a…

I've heard from a law student in China that the law is a tool to control the masses. Assuming that is true, ignoring the law is simply taking things under control and bribery is the cost of doing business.

>I've heard from a law student in China that the law is a tool to control the masses. //

How is that different to other countries? In the UK, for example, the Tory party have been enacting laws to make it difficult to legally protest.

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