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FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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There have been many reports of ISPs overwriting ads and adding content to non-https content. Also bundled content on mobile providers not counting against caps, etc. Many also lie on speedtests, though I don't know if that counts.

Iirc they also limited data speed on netflix and other ott platforms, no?

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Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Worth noting that California's net neutrality law[0] probably stymied most efforts by ISPs to start prioritizing traffic nationwide. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Internet_Consumer_P...

I thought the internet was purely a federal law domain. It looks like this law was challenged on those grounds, but the challenge lasted until after Biden was elected and the suit dropped.

I think the point is that California, a sizable and notable state, implemented a law that affects everyone regardless of federal law.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many reports of ISPs overwriting ads and adding content to non-https content. Also bundled content on mobile providers not counting against caps, etc. Many also lie on speedtests, though I don't know if that counts.

Iirc they also limited data speed on netflix and other ott platforms, no?

yes as I understand it netflix is or has sent some ISPs "protection" money, specifically Comcast. https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-t...

If you value the internet at large, never get your service from Comcast.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the internet was purely a federal law domain. It looks like this law was challenged on those grounds, but the challenge lasted until after Biden was elected and the suit dropped.

I think the point is that California, a sizable and notable state, implemented a law that affects everyone regardless of federal law.

Also see emission standards.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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I'm on TMobile in part because I got a free Netflix and MLB.tv. Is that an example?

I don’t think bundling other paid services counts. It’s only if the ISP treats the traffic to/from those paid services differently that you run afoul of net neutrality.

The term you're dancing around is zero-rating, and it is viewed unfavorably.

https://dig.watch/topics/network-neutrality#:~:text=Zero%2Dr....

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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I'm on TMobile in part because I got a free Netflix and MLB.tv. Is that an example?

I don’t think bundling other paid services counts. It’s only if the ISP treats the traffic to/from those paid services differently that you run afoul of net neutrality.

But they do. Typically the bundled video services like Netflix or Apple don't count against your bandwidth usage.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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> Title II regulation isn't just about net neutrality, Rosenworcel said, arguing that the reclassification will give the FCC more authority to protect national security on broadband networks. "When we stripped state-affiliated companies from China of their authority to operate in the United States, that action did not extend to broadband services, thanks to the retreat from Title II. This is a national security looph…

There are plenty of overt attempts at legislating surveillance and censorship, so there's no point in being paranoid in cases like this, where the government is probably just trying to prevent cheapskate companies from buying backdoored hardware from foreign countries. Legislation that accomplishes that will actually improve privacy and free speech for a change.

Re: FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote

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Did any of the bad effects of not having net neutrality actually occur when it was gone? Did ISPs throttle competition? I haven’t seen any reports of this happening. I haven’t seen any studies showing this happening systematically. I’m woefully uninformed, so I really would like to hear more about this. What has been happening these past few years?

Net Neutrality Violations: A Brief History https://www.freepress.net/blog/net-neutrality-violations-bri...

Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speedtest? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31062799

T-Mobile begins blocking iPhone users from enabling iCloud Private Relay in US https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29880073

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