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I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.
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> I thought companies generally rip the bandaid off and do it all very quickly - and have a concrete plan before an announcement In the US yes, and companies are free to ruin the lives of thousands of people overnight in most states thanks to at-will employment. In Europe, where Nokia is based, companies have to actually follow laws. No firing of individuals without cause, mass layoffs outside of bankruptcy have mini…
"companies have to actually follow laws“ What? Nokia won't follow laws in other countries? "No firing of individuals without cause" That's generally the distinction between firing and laying off. Layed off employees generally get unemployment. "7 months until your employment actually terminates" You continue working at a company that you will have to leave? What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? D…
Your paycheck?
You can still be fired on the spot if you are not doing your job. Though it might require a warning depending on the jurisdiction.
> Aren't you in a weird limbo for months/years on end where you don't know if your position will be terminated?
At least in Finland the legal requirement for the negotiations is 2 weeks and usually they take exactly that long. It can be even shorter if both sides agree.
The 2 week period also works well in a lot of low paying fields where you are paid every 2 weeks. Basically meaning that everyone knows they are getting their next paycheck in full (outside of a proper bankruptcy which is pretty much the only way out of these rules)
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> I thought companies generally rip the bandaid off and do it all very quickly - and have a concrete plan before an announcement In the US yes, and companies are free to ruin the lives of thousands of people overnight in most states thanks to at-will employment. In Europe, where Nokia is based, companies have to actually follow laws. No firing of individuals without cause, mass layoffs outside of bankruptcy have mini…
"companies have to actually follow laws“ What? Nokia won't follow laws in other countries? "No firing of individuals without cause" That's generally the distinction between firing and laying off. Layed off employees generally get unemployment. "7 months until your employment actually terminates" You continue working at a company that you will have to leave? What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? D…
The incentives to keep doing a good job are your intrinsic motivation to do a decent job, your professional reputation and receiving good references for your upcoming job applications. Doesn't the american approach of showing employees the door right after being fired to a poor transfer of their responsibilities?
So I bought a Huawei one from Amazon.
I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.
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The Nokia of today has little (left) in common with "the Nokia of lore". Just as that had little in common with the company that used to supply the Finnish Army with Rubber boots. The Nokia-of-phones sold itself to Microsoft and was subsequently wound down. While the brand name for phones still exists, it's no longer held by the corporation now called "Nokia". That came to be, if you like to call it that, from a "rev…
While the brand name for phones still exists, it's no longer held by the corporation now called "Nokia" The corporation now called "Nokia" still owns the brand name "Nokia" for phones, but is licensing it to HMD Global, a Finnish mobile phone company started by ex-Nokia people, but largely financed by Foxconn.
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"companies have to actually follow laws“ What? Nokia won't follow laws in other countries? "No firing of individuals without cause" That's generally the distinction between firing and laying off. Layed off employees generally get unemployment. "7 months until your employment actually terminates" You continue working at a company that you will have to leave? What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? D…
"What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? Doesn't this lead to massive amount of corporate theft? In the US you are typically "shown the door" when your employment is terminated to minimize the possibility of disgruntled ex-employees taking corporate IP with them." The incentives to keep doing a good job are your intrinsic motivation to do a decent job, your professional reputation and receiving goo…
Yes and no. People are also free to leave at any moment - so the concern is inevitable an you generally structure your responsibilities to minimize the "bus factor"
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"companies have to actually follow laws“ What? Nokia won't follow laws in other countries? "No firing of individuals without cause" That's generally the distinction between firing and laying off. Layed off employees generally get unemployment. "7 months until your employment actually terminates" You continue working at a company that you will have to leave? What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? D…
> What incentives do you have to keep putting in any effort? Your paycheck? You can still be fired on the spot if you are not doing your job. Though it might require a warning depending on the jurisdiction. > Aren't you in a weird limbo for months/years on end where you don't know if your position will be terminated? At least in Finland the legal requirement for the negotiations is 2 weeks and usually they take exact…
Then I guess it's unrelated to the two year long firing that's been announced
I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.
I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.
One time I was working in an old Cold War bunker in Finland that was being used as a datacenter. Really wild place with servers in rows in cavernous caves. The toilet paper dispenser in the men's room was made by Nokia ;)
A Swedish friend of mine has a chainsaw guard made by Nokia.
They used to make even more kinds of stuff.