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Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

> One thing worth pointing out is also the compatibility of software and the breadth of the community.

>Obviously, the Raspberry Pi ecosystem and community is much stronger than the Orange Pi or Rock communities. However, I can basically promise you that the Orange Pi community and Rock community will both grow in coming years.

This seems way more important than the differences in computing power, and even the (massive) differences in price. Until I can seamlessly use raspberry pi OS and all the RPi software, those other boards are just non-starters for me.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by naikrovek »

baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

every person I know who has had problems with the Pis has had problems because they've cheaped out on either storage or power supply.

the official power supplies (and others with the same ratings) are only sufficient if you don't plug anything into the USB port, don't have any hardware drawing power from the GPIO, and don't utilize Bluetooth and wifi 100% of the time at full throughput or anything.

boot to a fast thumb drive, power the board via a 30W or more power supply, and get an onboard battery so in the rare event that the onboard power regulation can't keep up, a battery powered supply can deliver power through the GPIO pins.

Raspberry Pis are built down to a price point, not up to a quality level. they are extremely good per unit of money spent on them, but they are not perfect.

calling them "shit" shows a general lack of understanding, to me.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by ilyt »

jamesy0ung wrote: post #2

They might be good performance wise, but if you watch the Jeff Geerling video he mentions in the post, it will show you how much trouble he has with it. Custom distros with broken repos, non mainlined outdated kernels.

That's my experience with many alternatives, basically nothing (INCLUDING rPi) is just supported in mainline, but rPi's patched version of Debian is well supported unlike the alternatives.

If just for playing around paying extra for pi just to have something that works makes a lot of sense.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

arghwhat wrote: post #30
auspiv wrote: post #10

Geez for the prices listed in the article (153 EUR and 301 EUR), get a TMM (tiny mini micro - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimic... ) computer. These are the SFF/USFF off-lease older enterprise computers like Dell Optiplex. Note that ServeTheHome.com does power consumption for every model it reviews. These ~1L sized computers idle in the 7-13W range. Even with EU electricity prices, it would…

To be fair, you also need to account for consumption when you make the machine do something. The TDPs for these machines are in the 25-35W range, and hitting 50W does not seem unreasonable. You of course won't be running that the entire time. The larger SFF machines with 65W TDPs will go way above that. An orange pi 5 uses 7.5W under full load, 3.3W idle in comparison.

If the SFF is doing work, it might be done in a fraction of the time of the pi. Race to finish.

Hard to say without real workloads, but if there are any plans of routinely pegging the CPU, most power efficient strategy is to buy a modern chip.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by petsfed »

zalthor wrote: post #9
baz00 wrote: post #3

They're all shit. Get a Lenovo mini PC off eBay and stick Debian on it. I replaced my shitty Pi with a Lenovo M600. If you want a dependable computer, stay away from pseudo-embedded hardware.

What’s the power consumption on that? The biggest draw for these machines (to me at least), is how they seem to run on a 5w power source.

You might be able to run on a 5W supply, but my experience is that booting on a less than 15W supply is a recipe for corrupted SD cards and hard-to-trace bugs.

My biggest frustration with hobbyist boards is how little power the can source to e.g. the USB ports. Its super frustrating to need a powered USB hub to add e.g. a USB indicator light. The fact that you can power the RPi from the powered USB hub seems hacky, but maybe that was always the intent.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by ilyt »

Pxtl wrote: post #27

The Pi 5 looks neat and I hear it's finally got a power button built-in, which was always the sorest point of the rpi series for me - the fact that it had no good story for safely idling was always absurd. The default configuration was "if you lose power there's a good chance the filesystem will be corrupt". Still, does the new one do better beyond having an off-button? Like does it wake via USB properly? Does it hav…

Power button was just a pair of wires to a switch and some settings in old rpi IIRC

> Does it have some way to safely recover the filesystem after power-loss?

that is not a hardware feature

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

#49

Post by coffeeri »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #33
coffeeri wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've also compared many 1L PCs from a performance/price/power consumption perspective. I decided on the HP prodesk/ elitedesk 400/800 G5 with the i5-9500T. It idles at ~2-3W and has considerably more computing and storage than these embedded solutions. I only see something like a raspberry pi be handy when relying on GPIO ports.

I don't know what you did to get yours idling that low. My 800 i5-9500t idles at 9w. I took out the flex io module & wifi card, and make sure nvme has "spin down" but still nowhere near that low. I had some Acer chromeboxes that would do 4.5w easy without any tuning or setup, and they used pretty low end dyal-core i3's from just barely before the i5-9500t. Generally I don't think servethehome finds many tiny mini-pcs…

Have you enabled the deep sleep state in the BIOS? It always depends what you are running on it. For me it's very light with only paperless-ngx and a smb share on a nixos. I also only have one RAM stick installed and set up powertop on startup.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Orange Pi 5 Plus vs. Rock 5 Model B

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

ilyt wrote: post #43
jamesy0ung wrote: post #2

They might be good performance wise, but if you watch the Jeff Geerling video he mentions in the post, it will show you how much trouble he has with it. Custom distros with broken repos, non mainlined outdated kernels.

That's my experience with many alternatives, basically nothing (INCLUDING rPi) is just supported in mainline, but rPi's patched version of Debian is well supported unlike the alternatives. If just for playing around paying extra for pi just to have something that works makes a lot of sense.

You can install the mainline ARM UEFI builds of Debian onto the RPi and install it like a regular PC.

I've not been able to find any other SBC that is able to do that.

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