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Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Re: Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Post by erellsworth »

mpol wrote: post #37
erellsworth wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're talking about WordPress.com, not self-hosted WordPress. It's not a good comparison, in my opinion.

No, not wordpress.com, but a managed hosting provider. That means that wordpress core is managed by the hosting company, but you can install any plugin or theme. In the article they compared it to wordpress.com, so I'm sure it's not about that.

Wow, you're right. It looks like they are talking about some other managed service.

That makes the post even more meaningless since they don't even say what managed service they are using. It seems they are complaining about what some unnamed managed service is charging them and framing it as criticism of WordPress.

Re: Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Post by RobotToaster »

Basically my experience of it, I've never seen an open source project so hostile to open source.

A huge amount of features that should be in core are locked behind the proprietary "jetpack" SAAS.

The plugins repository is a hive of scum and freemium, with no way to search for only GPL compliant plugins.

Re: Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Post by dpkonofa »

>As web developer myself, I couldn’t help but smirk

>Plug-in time, or change the CSS, or somehow add it to the theme itself, which I never figured out how to do

Ok, buddy… I think your definition of “web developer” and mine are quite different if you can’t figure out how to add a font via CSS or a theme.

This makes the rest of this argument garbage.

Re: Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Post by winternett »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #30

As someone who is on a, uh, "sabbatical" from programing after 10 years making WP work for gov, edu, and various businesses I have worked on many hundreds of WP sites. I still use it for my personal blog and for marketing my various projects. The article doesn't have a lot of meat, but I think the title alone was interesting. My primary issue with the WP ecosystem is how folks end up paying for GPL software. Leaving…

WP has had so many major compromises over the years I gave up on it and adopted using Drupal as a framework. I think Drupal focuses far less on for-sale modules and themes, which makes it far less exploitable. The way themes and modules are implemented are more secure than WP as well, and there has been a pretty good community running Drupal for many years now.

A lot of people try to impose the same kind of "name brand" identity on open source software, and it just doesn't work. Underneath, it's based on the same code and libraries, and a lot of the time it's vulnerable to human agenda and human flaws.

Re: Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Post by ramesh31 »

>"For each of these design problems, I eventually found a fee-free solution:"

  Sticky – WordPress 6.2 (released in March this year) adds native sticky support.
  Non-standard font – Twentig plug-in.
  Latest 3 blog posts – Team Tangible‘s Loops & Logic plug-in.
  Gallery Lightbox – dFactory‘s responsive lightbox and gallery plug-in.
And here's the problem with WordPress. That's literally 4 lines of CSS and two lines of PHP, for which the author has now exposed themselves to four seperate third party plugin developers that he must trust explicitly forever.

Re: Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Post by jshwlkr »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #36
josefresco wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"mine" That critique would be fair if I was talking about my one WordPress site but I'm talking about hundreds, maybe even a thousand if you count sites I've built that came and went. It's a pretty decent sample size (IMHO) both for the number of instances but also the time period (10+ years). And it's also not 300 clone sites, each one was built unique, and each has their own mix of plugins & themes.

Unless you manage every Wordpress site out there, you're biased. YOU, are a technical person and understand the value of updates, vetting plugins, etc, yet a majority of these sites aren't run by people like you/me. They are run by end users, with all of the baggage. You have a point, to an extent. I wholly disagree with your stance on WP though. It's got issues, numerous issues, and a majority of the sites aren't pr…

I don't understand your argument. Are you trying to suggest WP isn't safe or WP isn't easy?

Re: Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Post by MightyBuzzard »

camillomiller wrote: post #4

Is this post talking about hosted wordpress? Because it makes no sense at all otherwise (and even then…) Wordpress is fully customizable. Why would you need a plugin to make a menu sticky? Either I am missing something here or this OP was trying to much with its Star Trek references to actually understand how Wordpress works

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Re: Switching to WordPress felt like a visit to the Ferengi homeworld

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Post by MightyBuzzard »

dpkonofa wrote: post #43

>As web developer myself, I couldn’t help but smirk >Plug-in time, or change the CSS, or somehow add it to the theme itself, which I never figured out how to do Ok, buddy… I think your definition of “web developer” and mine are quite different if you can’t figure out how to add a font via CSS or a theme. This makes the rest of this argument garbage.

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