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Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

#41
Good. Lay off everyone. Only reddit beats SO in terms of being made to feel inadequate, stupid, etc. when asking others for help on technical issues.

SO made their bed. Enjoy the snark, mistreatment, and power trips while it lasts. There are definitely gentler and better communities out there.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

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I'm not surprised. These days, I use SO a lot less often. Github issues, first party documentation, Discords, and Copilot are much better ways to get help.

Anecdotally, every single time I’ve put effort into answering someone’s question, I got shot down by mods for various reasons despite (generally) being the only answer. Quickly stopped contributing.

Yeah, the moderation became insane. Every question is a duplicate, every answer is moderated out.

The answers on github and across the web are always much much better and more up to date. I can't remember the last time SO had the answer I wanted or needed.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

#43

It sounds harsh but I have no sympathy for the company or its community. The people running that site turned it into such a hostile and toxic place, to the point they probably pushed a lot of people out of engineering. Just completely condescending and rude jannies who were taking out their anger from being bullied in high school on unsuspecting beginners. They’re getting what they deserve and I’m savoring every seco…

They pushed me out when I was a student in Uni struggling with Java 101. And my experience left me shocked that an industry could be so cruel to people trying to learn the ropes and be just another programmer.

Luckily, I persevered, and I give back to the programming community by always being kind to the folks that ask me for help; but I always help others offline and not in hostile web forums.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

#44

Good. Lay off everyone. Only reddit beats SO in terms of being made to feel inadequate, stupid, etc. when asking others for help on technical issues. SO made their bed. Enjoy the snark, mistreatment, and power trips while it lasts. There are definitely gentler and better communities out there.

Grow some skin. Other then the snark it's a good resource.

I agree that the snark shouldn't be there but stack overflow is a good resource for lurkers and people who don't care and aren't so hurt by online mistreatment. It's just randos on the internet.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

#45

StackOverflow peaked in 2014, and has been in decline ever since. This is not related to the recent AI boom, although it may accelerate the decline.

As someone doing full-stack PHP in 2014 I'm not sure about that. SO was filled with bad advice for PHP and JavaScript. It was so bad you could use it as a guidebook for writing outdated insecure code.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

#47

Good. Lay off everyone. Only reddit beats SO in terms of being made to feel inadequate, stupid, etc. when asking others for help on technical issues. SO made their bed. Enjoy the snark, mistreatment, and power trips while it lasts. There are definitely gentler and better communities out there.

Grow some skin. Other then the snark it's a good resource. I agree that the snark shouldn't be there but stack overflow is a good resource for lurkers and people who don't care and aren't so hurt by online mistreatment. It's just randos on the internet.

I don't need to grow skin on the internet where mistreatment is abundant. I just don't engage. Offline people can't treat you like shit because then they're gonna get treated like shit. Respect begets respect and good manners beget good manners.

The way SO folks talk to you ... I'll just say: try that offline and I'll pull your card no ifs or doubts.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

#48

The way the redundancies were carried out were very disrespectful. People got invited to a meeting and essentially told "You'll lose access in about 30 minutes" -- from a close source who was laid off after literally receiving feedback that they were the most efficient in their department a couple days prior.

What part is disrespectful? Cutting access is pretty normal.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, every single time I’ve put effort into answering someone’s question, I got shot down by mods for various reasons despite (generally) being the only answer. Quickly stopped contributing.

Yeah, the moderation became insane. Every question is a duplicate, every answer is moderated out. The answers on github and across the web are always much much better and more up to date. I can't remember the last time SO had the answer I wanted or needed.

I've seen python questions marked as 'duplicate' when the question was python 3 and the "answer" was python 2.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

#50

SO has languished so much, it’s really sad. There is a definite need here, and yet they seem happy to provide the same service they did 10 years ago while people migrate to LLMs and copilot and GH search and the like.

The irony is that for LLMs to continue to exist and stay relevant stackoverflow needs to be used and still exist.

If everyone migrates to LLMs then the training data no longer gets updated. The current crop of LLMs will get less and less relevant as things change.

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