Who cares ? AFAIK the parliament is against snooping, so it won't pass.
It won't pass >this time<
It will pass this time. The Swedish politician is in the pocket of big tech corporations.
EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
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Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Luckily governments are not a monolithic and coherent block. France for example was an early backer of matrix.. So if the worst happens and a mandatory chat control will gets implemented by the government, then it is a good thing that other parts of the government helped making sure, there are working alternatives avaiable, that are not so easy to regulate.
But isn't that precisely the problem with large supranational orgs like the EU, to which its member countries cede some of their sovereignty. Countries often HAVE to implement EU policy in their own laws, or else face sanctions. They can't just pick and choose.
Yes, but we as a society can then choose and pick decentral end to end encrypted solutions like matrix over centralised ones like whatsapp.
And then they will have to back off, if enough people and companies are doing it (likely legal, through loopholes, only big services have to implement it). Or being fine to only censor whatsapp and the mainstream.
Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
#43The day the EU forbids E2E is the day I start to actively root for my country to exit.
And then you'll finally realize it's your government that's fucked up, EU is just a reflection of it, because you'll end up with the same E2E control, like the UK.
Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
#44The day the EU forbids E2E is the day I start to actively root for my country to exit.
Just be sure that your country isn't one of the many voting for this proposal first, as only 3 countries have given a strict and clear "no". If so, leaving EU might just be letting go of the leash.
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#45Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could've ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “…
Luckily governments are not a monolithic and coherent block. France for example was an early backer of matrix.. So if the worst happens and a mandatory chat control will gets implemented by the government, then it is a good thing that other parts of the government helped making sure, there are working alternatives avaiable, that are not so easy to regulate.
AFAIK germany too uses some app with signal protocol
Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Luckily governments are not a monolithic and coherent block. France for example was an early backer of matrix.. So if the worst happens and a mandatory chat control will gets implemented by the government, then it is a good thing that other parts of the government helped making sure, there are working alternatives avaiable, that are not so easy to regulate.
But isn't that precisely the problem with large supranational orgs like the EU, to which its member countries cede some of their sovereignty. Countries often HAVE to implement EU policy in their own laws, or else face sanctions. They can't just pick and choose.
for some issues it's the other way around: not all eu laws can be passed bc some countries vote against them. That's also the reason you can't vote out a country so you need to find compromises
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#47Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
#48The day the EU forbids E2E is the day I start to actively root for my country to exit.
lmao do you realise that if your country does not vote for it, it'll not be implemented. So if eu forbids e2ee, this means your country is ok with this
Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
#49Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could've ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “…
It's not like the EU is some separate entity endowed by special stupidity. It's just "us", humans - some of us smart/informed, some of us less so. If you remove your country from the whole, one time you might be out of reach of some stupid idea from the outside, the other time you will be out of reach of the reasonable voices outside, fully exposed to your home-grown bad ideas.
And that is ignoring the fact that if your country left, you would in practice still adhere to those stupid rules because half of your country does business with the EU. You would just lose influence on those rules.
At least being a part of a large entity has some advantages on the world stage.
Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
#50Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could've ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “…
It seems like the EU is gridlocked on implementing any regulations here. It's a buffer against national governments going ahead and implementing this.