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Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by Urgo »

Been using Duck Duck Go for maybe three or so years now? It's very rare I fallback to google other then for google maps (!gm). I do make heavy use of ChatGPT and Bard though.

I wish there was more example results then just "best headphones", "steve jobs", and "python exceptions". I'm interested, but not interested enough to sign up. Maybe its just me, but all the marketing and comments are why to switch away from google search.. which I already did.

There is a docs page[1] on Kagi vs. DuckDuckGo but it doesn't really have any compelling reason to use Kagi from that. I'd love to see concrete examples of how Kagi has better results then DDG.

[1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/kagi-vs-duckduckgo.html

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by smcleod »

Urgo wrote: post #41

Been using Duck Duck Go for maybe three or so years now? It's very rare I fallback to google other then for google maps (!gm). I do make heavy use of ChatGPT and Bard though. I wish there was more example results then just "best headphones", "steve jobs", and "python exceptions". I'm interested, but not interested enough to sign up. Maybe its just me, but all the marketing and comments are why to switch away from goo…

I’ve found Kagis search results far better than DDG, not even in the same ballpark.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by Urgo »

smcleod wrote: post #42
Urgo wrote: post #41

Been using Duck Duck Go for maybe three or so years now? It's very rare I fallback to google other then for google maps (!gm). I do make heavy use of ChatGPT and Bard though. I wish there was more example results then just "best headphones", "steve jobs", and "python exceptions". I'm interested, but not interested enough to sign up. Maybe its just me, but all the marketing and comments are why to switch away from goo…

I’ve found Kagis search results far better than DDG, not even in the same ballpark.

If you could provide screen shots or a writeup of HOW they are better that would be helpful. Kogi fans just seems to say its better without really any examples. Not saying its not better, but no one has really shown how it is better.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by user3939382 »

lapcat wrote: post #33

I really wanted to like Kagi, and admittedly my experimentation did not last long, but contrary to the experience of other commenters, I found Kagi search results to be significantly worse than Google. Maybe it was just the specific subjects I was searching. The final straw for me was when I searched for air quality in my city, and the Kagi results were a total joke, mostly irrelevant. I would have been happy to pay…

Hm.. I just tried that search for my town and the first result was correct. Wonder what happened.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by smcleod »

lapcat wrote: post #33

I really wanted to like Kagi, and admittedly my experimentation did not last long, but contrary to the experience of other commenters, I found Kagi search results to be significantly worse than Google. Maybe it was just the specific subjects I was searching. The final straw for me was when I searched for air quality in my city, and the Kagi results were a total joke, mostly irrelevant. I would have been happy to pay…

Have you got an example?

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by Infernal »

daemoens wrote: post #40
dilyevsky wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For c-suite their comp is mostly awarded by the board which is controlled by largest shareholders. So therefore they are highly incentivized to make them happy which is usually achieved by stonk going up and to the right. For middle managers it’s more complex and is usually divorced from the stock price (and often reality too)

Can a stock go to the left? If they figured out time-travel, I'm sure the board would be even happier. /s

Hah, I’m going to start using “down and to the left” the way people use “up and to the right” now

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by Yeri »

tentacleuno wrote: post #6

I am quite interested by Kagi's model, and would like to try it. One issue is that I do find it a little pricey (it's roughly £110/yr just for web search). This seems like a shame. I'd love to understand more re: how they come up with those prices in the first place, if any information is available. It would also be interesting to explore how many of the people praising it here and elsewhere are paying customers.

They've blogged about it: https://blog.kagi.com/status-update-first-three-months#finan...

They are aware that it's not within reach for everyone, and hopefully they'll be able to do something about it (likely with scale: more subscribers, means they can slowly lower the prices as they've done: https://blog.kagi.com/plan-changes)

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by dankwizard »

Urgo wrote: post #43
smcleod wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve found Kagis search results far better than DDG, not even in the same ballpark.

If you could provide screen shots or a writeup of HOW they are better that would be helpful. Kogi fans just seems to say its better without really any examples. Not saying its not better, but no one has really shown how it is better.

I mean its a search engine what are you expecting?

More often than not, their search results are returning useable links.

People aren't going to write an essay as to the nuances.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

Urgo wrote: post #43
smcleod wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve found Kagis search results far better than DDG, not even in the same ballpark.

If you could provide screen shots or a writeup of HOW they are better that would be helpful. Kogi fans just seems to say its better without really any examples. Not saying its not better, but no one has really shown how it is better.

The article addresses a huge aspect: It's customizable. I frequently know I'm looking for say, a learn.microsoft.com page. So if I boost that domain, and one of the results is on that site, it moves towards the top of the page. My results are explicitly better for me because I am able to tell the search engine what I want to see.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Post by konaraddi »

justusthane wrote: post #16

> It’s impossible to both provide the best search results and try to optimize for the highest amount of ad-clicks. And if you’re a public company with an ad-based business model, you are legally required to optimize for the latter. The enduring (and incorrect) myth of how fiduciary responsibility works.

Could you elaborate?
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