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Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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They have ~$35 billion in cash per their cash flow statement: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSFT/cash-flow?p=MSFT They could in effect write a check today for it.

LOL, like they would ever do that! They will make MS customers pay for it, if they can't convince the IRS to lower the bill significantly, which they probably can.

"Lets put aside $2B for legal costs, as they should be able halve that or better over the next decade..." ;)

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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Wow. “The IRS says Microsoft owes an additional $28.9 billion in tax for 2004 to 2013, plus penalties and interest.” No wonder why they’re talking about charging for windows 12 features, has to come from somewhere!

Maybe it could come from those huge executive salaries and bonuses that are many multiples higher than regular employees.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I bet a lot of that is in long term treasuries which, if you want to use them as legal tender, are kinda down in price right now (if you don't hold them til maturity). And if they need to take a loan to pay it, those bonds are going to be at fairly high rates. Overall, it's gonna be a stock price haircut for sure. I'm guessing at least 10-20% because of all the money they could have MADE with that money.

Random googling finds “Cash equivalents are any short-term investment securities with maturity periods of 90 days or less.” They have $35 billion in Cash & Cash Equivalents.

Yep. Accounting standards dictate that a cash equivalent should be essentially as liquid as cash from the perspective of the holder. It’s safe to lump it in here.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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Wonder why the stock hasn't taken a huge hit after the news. $28.9bln sounds like a lot. Maybe investors think MS will find a way to reduce the amount or pull of an extremely long term repayment plan?

>As of September 30, 2023, we believe our allowances for income tax contingencies are adequate. We disagree with the proposed adjustments and will vigorously contest the NOPAs through the IRS’s administrative appeals office and, if necessary, judicial proceedings. We do not expect a final resolution of these issues in the next 12 months. Based on the information currently available, we do not anticipate a significant increase or decrease to our tax contingencies for these issues within the next 12 months.

Maybe it's because they won't face the music for at least a year.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

#47

Wow. “The IRS says Microsoft owes an additional $28.9 billion in tax for 2004 to 2013, plus penalties and interest.” No wonder why they’re talking about charging for windows 12 features, has to come from somewhere!

They have ~$35 billion in cash per their cash flow statement: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSFT/cash-flow?p=MSFT They could in effect write a check today for it.

That money came from customers too.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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“Many large multinationals use cost-sharing because it reflects the global nature of their business.” A comparable example might be Apple, where sales of my (american) app being sold from (american) servers somehow curiously involves the Republic of Ireland and their low corporate tax rates…

It's simple enough, an Irish company called Apple licenses its very valuable IP to its entities in cheaper countries so they can do things like manufacturing, server farms, customer support.

(It also carries on these some of these functions in Ireland, as it happens, and pays a ton of tax at the relatively high income tax rates there.)

It's frankly curious to me when a multinational chooses to base itself anywhere less favourable.

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