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2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by yati »

blululu wrote: post #22
oldgradstudent wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the ACM, instead of founding the Turing award, had attempted to pay to get a Nobel memorial prize in Computer Science, we would have easily recognized it for what it was - a pathetic play for respectability.

The name Computer Science itself is a marketing ploy to convince people that it is a real science (and not just another branch of engineering). Seems to be working for CS, and I can easily imagine people on this forum would be happy to defend the legitimacy of the Swedish Institute of Sciences Nobel Memorial Prize in Computational Science. I think the issue is not an objection to marketing but an objection to the inh…

Much of theoretical computer science is math, like much of modern theoretical physics is also math. “Computational science” brings up images of computational complexity theory, computability, information theory, distributed consensus, type theory etc.

So maybe not a marketing ploy.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by kevinmchugh »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #14
em500 wrote: post #7

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If the ACM, instead of founding the Turing award, had attempted to pay to get a Nobel memorial prize in Computer Science, we would have easily recognized it for what it was - a pathetic play for respectability.

We could reasonably describe founding the prizes as a pathetic play for respectability on the behalf of Nobel himself.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by jncfhnb »

grotorea wrote: post #31
jncfhnb wrote: post #4

> Goldin showed that female participation in the labour market did not have an upward trend over this entire period, but instead forms a U-shaped curve. The participation of married women decreased with the transition from an agrarian to an industrial society in the early nineteenth century, but then started to increase with the growth of the service sector in the early twentieth century. Goldin explained this patter…

I'm sure it feels intuitive when you have the answer but I am slightly surprised since women working in factories (and for lower wages) was a major issue at least from the 19th century.

Without reading into the claim I’m pretty sure it’s driven by the growth of the white collar middle class. whatever growth there was in women working in factories, it was surely less than the fall in women working on farms.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by probably_wrong »

ghaff wrote: post #34
blululu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The name Computer Science itself is a marketing ploy to convince people that it is a real science (and not just another branch of engineering). Seems to be working for CS, and I can easily imagine people on this forum would be happy to defend the legitimacy of the Swedish Institute of Sciences Nobel Memorial Prize in Computational Science. I think the issue is not an objection to marketing but an objection to the inh…

Historically Computer Science was often more associated with mathematics in academia than it was with electrical engineering--depending upon the school. Today, most people would probably agree that it's mostly an engineering discipline, albeit perhaps lacking some of the formal methods and practices that other branches of engineering tend to have. But it was presumably less clear when the term was coined in the early…

> albeit perhaps lacking some of the formal methods and practices that other branches of engineering tend to have.

I'd like to point out that this depends heavily on your institution. My CS program had a class literally called "Formal methods", and every student was required to learn formal proofs before their first programming-heavy class (namely, "Data Structures I").

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by wincy »

throw0101c wrote: post #18
morita2342 wrote: post #10

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> It’s a pathetic marketing scheme by a fake science. What makes a science "real" and what makes it "fake"?

Tongue in cheek, although it works better than you’d expect at first blush.

Add the word “mad” to the beginning. If it sounds scary it’s a real science, if it sounds silly and makes you laugh it’s not.

“Mad chemist” sounds scary, what if they make sarin gas or something?

“Mad economist” sounds like someone left in a huff at a federal reserve board meeting.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by grotorea »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #42
oldgradstudent wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the ACM, instead of founding the Turing award, had attempted to pay to get a Nobel memorial prize in Computer Science, we would have easily recognized it for what it was - a pathetic play for respectability.

We could reasonably describe founding the prizes as a pathetic play for respectability on the behalf of Nobel himself.

Posthumous respectability perhaps. But as far as things go, I didn't like my leaked obituary so I decided to do something good is not pathetic IMHO.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by throw0101c »

chmod775 wrote: post #39
throw0101c wrote: post #18

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> It’s a pathetic marketing scheme by a fake science. What makes a science "real" and what makes it "fake"?

When you branch of from real sciences, defining a lower of bar of quality, unable to meet the standard of the established field. Also if you branched off of social sciences some time ago and you never bothered to implement reproducibility reforms. That's not to say all papers of such a science are garbage, just most will be, since not only is the bar for acceptance lower, those sciences also attract people who are un…

> When you branch of from real sciences, defining a lower of bar of quality, unable to meet the standard of the established field.

But you are starting at "real science" here without defining it and saying the 'branches' are lower than said 'real' science.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by pavlov »

grotorea wrote: post #32
morita2342 wrote: post #9

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A bit too far for me but it is unfair that economics gets one but the other fields neglected by Nobel don't.

It’s a practical example of how economics is unique among sciences in that it’s a marketing discipline as well.

Nobel didn’t give us a prize? That’s just a problem to be solved with money and social engineering, like so many aspects of economics.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Post by boxed »

VHRanger wrote: post #36
morita2342 wrote: post #9

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Right, a pseudoscience and here we have someone who won doing exclusively empirical work. Not sure how you match those two but keep at it

Plenty of people do empirical work in pseudoscience...
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