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Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Universal childcare is low-hanging fruit for America. Unfortunately, there is a vocal section (mostly married men) who want a stay-at-home mom and believe this will, similar to women entering the workforce following the advent of contraception and the civil rights movement, "force" their wives into the workplace.

I've nothing against women in the workplace, but I do think it sucks that in most families both parents are forced to work in order to make ends meet. Universal childcare is the worst of both worlds - you miss out on all those special moments when your children are young and your kids get to be raised by a stranger. Plus the public gets to foot the bill. I guess it works if you don't want those experiences and are ha…

The goal is both parents work, but work only part time. And we get there via better childcare.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Universal childcare. Alternatively, payment for children These are the same, just different execution. A slot for your child or children if you want to go to work, a payment if you want to stay at home to provide childcare. The care is universal, the delta being who logistically is providing the care. Edit: Agree with y'all it is both a marketing and execution story.

> are the same, just different execution Sure. But the branding matters. The former seems to provoke a vitriolic reaction in some people that, if widespread, could tank it in a way that the identical effect under the second's branding doesn't provoke.

I'd also argue that execution matters.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Universal childcare is low-hanging fruit for America. Unfortunately, there is a vocal section (mostly married men) who want a stay-at-home mom and believe this will, similar to women entering the workforce following the advent of contraception and the civil rights movement, "force" their wives into the workplace.

Yeah childcare is a casualty in our culture war, where one side wants women to be employed for their empowerment and the other wants women to stay at home with kids. What really sucks is some European countries have already solved this dilemma by both offering childcare and paying a benefit to stay at home mothers, so parents can act in whichever way suits their individual situation. To me, this clearly benefits soci…

Don't both-sides this. The side that is pro childcare is also pro paid parental leave.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Texas has an amendment coming up for vote next month to allow municipalities to cut property tax on properties used for child care. Was a pleasant surprise to see real good incentives tied to a change.

That sounds more like a way to let homeschoolers get out of property tax than it does anything that would lower the cost of childcare for workers.

What's wrong with that? if my kid doesn't go to public school, i should be able to take my contribution to that and use it for what i moved him to (charter school or homeschool) etc.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Setting aside the philosophical free market questions, additional government subsidy childcare seems fine. There’s a positive externality of readily available childcare: one adult to many children is more efficient than home care, and parents being able to work generates economic production, taxes, etc. But couldn’t we come up with a subsidy with less market distortion? A specific subsidy to pay for childcare for chi…

Sounds lovely At this point in the political universe these are the only measures that get through. We are living in a post policy era of governance. Hopefully the wonks can find some way to get the upper hand again, but I’m not optimistic.

>>> We are living in a post policy era of governance

What do you mean by this?

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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This right here is why we can't get anything done. Republicans say that the poor will benefit so we can't give them money. The center-right will say we can't do that, the rich might benefit, we can't give them money. So what happens is the rich get all the money. Stop putting means testing garbage on these bills. It only means those who need the assistance on the edge will be denied.

And progressives say that we cant means test anything because... there is always someone above the limit.

The solution is simple: an income bases subsidy that gradually decreases with no welfare cliff.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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The argument no one has brought up yet: why should society have to pay up even more for breeders' personal choices?

People without kids have to pay higher taxes (via rebates for parents), utilize less resources (public schools), effectively subsidizing people who want to have kids.

I'm all for protecting what's best for children, but I am not happy with people having children they cannot adequately support, causing other people to need to pay for them.

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Setting aside the philosophical free market questions, additional government subsidy childcare seems fine. There’s a positive externality of readily available childcare: one adult to many children is more efficient than home care, and parents being able to work generates economic production, taxes, etc. But couldn’t we come up with a subsidy with less market distortion? A specific subsidy to pay for childcare for chi…

You know you've lost the plot when even child care is looked at through the lense of capitalistic markets.

Maybe fuck the markets and lets do what is best for the children and the parents. Or is that a radical idea nowadays?

Re: Kentucky made child care free for child care workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree, but there does exist a network of people who run childcare services for the public out of their homes. I imagine this is who benefits from the amendment.

If this gets us further from a land value tax, it is bad. Simple as. 100% this is disguised handout for home schooling right wing nuts. Property tax is not a significant burden for regular childcare outfits. "Cash poor asset rich" is not a real problem and anyone telling you otherwise it out to swindle you.

property tax is a burden for anyone who owns property in the US.
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