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Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

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Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#41
Probably not intended by the poster, but this gives me hope. Universities shouldn't overvalue these. Ultimately, they are focused on academics. The profile of this person screams "Will drop out before graduating".

I mean, if he applied to average universities and got rejected, that would be notable. But applying only at top universities and getting rejected? That's not at all notable.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#43
post #27

Kid’s making bank, congrats! But as an ex-L4 Googler I need to say, I’m sure he’s similarly frustrated as I was. I don’t live to maximize income - I want to maximize learning and fun. Compared to successfully launching a startup fixing bugs and launching minor features as an L4 is depressing as hell. Not everyone will have it that bad. Hopefully he’s having a better time than I did.

Sometimes maximizing learning and fun is having enough money to pursue your interests outside of work.

Sure. But a kid that’s building a successful business as a high school sophomore probably has software engineering as a #1 interest with no close #2. I’ve got a healthy list of hobbies and it wasn’t enough for me.

Feeling the time wasted on mundane BS and thumb twiddling while at Google literally gave me nightmares. Granted, I need to and am working on healthy stress management. But that would probably just get me to recognize I need to quit sooner.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#44

> Shortly after he turned 18, Google hired him as an L4 software engineer, a position typically offered to candidates with multiple years of professional experience as well as a college degree. L4 is the entry level for Google's SWE position, and Google absolutely hires SWEs straight out of college (no professional experience). A Google SWE without a college degree is more rare but I know a few. I'd never heard of an…

L3 is entry-level for fresh college grads.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#45

> Shortly after he turned 18, Google hired him as an L4 software engineer, a position typically offered to candidates with multiple years of professional experience as well as a college degree. L4 is the entry level for Google's SWE position, and Google absolutely hires SWEs straight out of college (no professional experience). A Google SWE without a college degree is more rare but I know a few. I'd never heard of an…

Googler here.

L4 requires experience. New grad hires are L3.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#46

Its because he's not rich. I don't understand why this is not more widely understood. These schools are not for meritocracy. Schools with sports teams fill much of the incoming class with athletes before they even consider an application, and then they start picking from places and people who'll keep their prestige reciprocally high. The son of a foreign dictator would never attend the school that produced the only h…

And yes, racism, but a more pedestrian sense than a true sense. Any wealthy arab or prestigious african has access to these places, just not normal ones.

And these colleges looooove it this happens. Their numbers get better and they didn't have to do anything that compromises their design philosophy.

And having interviewed people for much less prestigious 'diversity' programs, I can't help but relate. The African diplomat's son with an excellent international education interviews well and gives your organization a future 'success' story.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#47
post #40

>Stanley Zhong graduated from high school in June 2023 I think it's safe to assume that Mr. Zhong is of an Asian background. My guess is that he is, unfortunately, lacking in "interpersonal skills".

That's a dangerous, biased assumption.

I suspect it's not supposed to be taken at face value. It's a reference to Harvard admissions process, where asians seem to get suspiciously low "personality scores" compared to white applicants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/harvard-asian-enrollme...

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#49
Is this all that surprising? College admissions are not optimizing for people who can currently pass a tech company interview. Maybe they should focus more in that area, but that's a separate discussion, and currently schools neither select for nor claim to select for those skills.

Plus both processes have immense amounts of variance. It's not hard to find excellent candidates who were rejected from a particular university or job.

Re: Hired by Google as L4 but rejected by top colleges

#50

There's some incongruity here: college admissions are by no means fair, but they also don't evaluate for nearly the same things as Google's hiring process does. Put another way: colleges aren't qualified or equipped to make the kinds of determinations that Google does when hiring engineers, and being hired as a Google engineer prior to going to college isn't any particularly strong signal that you're prepared to go t…

Then what are the comp sci departments screening for and why?
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