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Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Re: Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Post by jacobsimon »

the_only_law wrote: post #22

Lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shaw_(laboratory_own... Leave it to HN to fall for grifters, but then again I suppose this must just probably just a massive conspiracy by the big bad Illuminati or something to profit off mainstream understanding of autism and we should trust the “science” this time. (To be fair, I can’t find anything that points to the main author being nearly on the same level of quacker…

Not an expert but the wiki article says he proposed a link with acetaminophen, which has recently been demonstrated by papers and spawned a lawsuit: https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/acetaminophen-on-trial-ove...

Re: Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Post by LoganDark »

oneplane wrote: post #8

This makes me wonder if there is research on pathways that 'cause' autism, or perhaps how we can find the 'vulnerability' which then is 'exploited' by something using those pathways. I'm using a bunch of quotes in there because I'm not well-versed enough in medicine terminology to know what the correct wording would be (and as such I also haven't had much luck in searching PubMed or NIH for that matter). I would imag…

As far as I'm aware, the autistic neurotype is caused by a different distribution of connections in the brain, caused by a deficiency of some chemical that I can't seem to find the name of (I swear I saw it somewhere, but there's too much SEO garbage for anything to find things other than vitamins and anti-vax propaganda). ASD is diagnosed by disordered symptoms that are consistent with autism, and can sometimes occur in people who do not possess the actual neurotype, but still have something else that causes those symptoms. (What the "something else" might be is something I do not know.)

Re: Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Post by LoganDark »

johnrob wrote: post #30

Autism diagnosis are based on nothing more than behavior. The facts here are that one child behaved in a manner consistent (enough) with the criteria for ASD. After treating a fungal infection, the child’s behavior changed. I think it’s a stretch to associate fungal infections with autism. There are probably many ailments that could trigger typical ASD behaviors.

You are correct. The autistic neurotype is a different pattern of brain development that cannot be cured in this way; nonetheless, a diagnosis of ASD can be assigned to anyone who shows disordered symptoms consistent with being autistic. Therefore, there are certainly people out there, diagnosed with ASD, but who do not possess the autistic neurotype, and who thus may be treatable.

Re: Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Post by hyperpape »

If you’re inclined to take this paper seriously, or if you feel like reading a very badly produced article, I recommend reading the full paper. It’s just a few pages, and a light read.

Also, you’ll get to ponder how in the “List of abnormal clinical symptoms of the child with an autism spectrum disorder prior to antifungal therapy”, the first entry is “Silly”.

No standardized assessments of autism (e.g. the ADOS) are mentioned. While there are other genuine autism symptoms mentioned, it’s unclear if any other professional assessed the child, or if both the diagnosis and subsequent statement of cure were done by this guy with his pet theories.

Re: Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Post by HarryHirsch »

davikr wrote: post #43

> Integr Med (Encinitas) Don't trust anything at face value because it's written in an article, specially if it's published in a terrible journal.

But we need replication, replication is the way! Feynman wrote something about this, I recall. Someone proposes that the moon is made from Wensleydale, and NASA goes up and brings back some rocks. "It's made from rock", you say, but someone else says "it's actually made from Gouda, but some rock has fallen onto it". So the Russians go up and return more rock, and another proposes it's made out of Limburger. And so on.

Re: Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jacobsimon wrote: post #41
the_only_law wrote: post #22

Lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shaw_(laboratory_own... Leave it to HN to fall for grifters, but then again I suppose this must just probably just a massive conspiracy by the big bad Illuminati or something to profit off mainstream understanding of autism and we should trust the “science” this time. (To be fair, I can’t find anything that points to the main author being nearly on the same level of quacker…

Not an expert but the wiki article says he proposed a link with acetaminophen, which has recently been demonstrated by papers and spawned a lawsuit: https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/acetaminophen-on-trial-ove...

Two points:

1. Lawsuits are completely irrelevant to what is actually causative. E.g. there is essentially no evidence silicone breast implants are carcinogenic, but that didn't prevent implant manufacturers from going bankrupt due to legal judgments.

2. From your own link: "The studies in people are observational. Some conditions that might prompt acetaminophen use during pregnancy, such as fever and severe infection, are themselves associated with autism and ADHD in children." Observational studies may be a good point to start further investigation, but given how many observational studies have been thoroughly debunked from a causative point of view, they should be completely ignored as evidence IMO.

Re: Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Post by HarryHirsch »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #36
meepmorp wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because someone has a history of being deceitful and making up things to further their own agenda, that doesn't mean we should discount everything they say - especially when it's an extraordinary, n=1 result in the case of a complex disorder. And honestly, it's kind of disrespectful to bring up someone's history of grifting in this context. We should trust each other more, not less, and that starts with believin…

Can decide if I should upvote this because it's great satire, or downvote it because these days it feels like half the arguments you see online are proposed sincerely but they sound like sarcasm to me.

Yes, because the hallmark of great satire is that you cannot tell.

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Post by n3storm »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #20
fnordpiglet wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Autism spectrum disorder isn’t a disease like COVID with a known cause. There are likely many things that lead to symptoms consistent with ASD. According to the link the mold infection has biomarkers, and presumably it’s possible that some people who have this infection and ASD can be treated for the infection and might see improvement. However I don’t think the article implies in any way that ASD is caused by mold i…

everything is connected, my mom believed my brother's ASD was because of vaccines, I didn't have much of an opinion till I researched it years later and learned it was based on one cooks theories, but this seems like a more sound research study, albeit a small sample size. I'm self diagnosed (3 of my friends with ASD told me I'm probably am on spectrum, because I over share and don't shut up about a subject I like.),…

If you refer to 1 case as "small sample size" you need to review all the research process in order to even start building your own opinion.

Re: Case study: Rapid recovery from autism after treatment of aspergillus (2020)

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Post by n3storm »

the_only_law wrote: post #13
n3storm wrote: post #7

Come on people, one case? Was he really properly diagnosed of ASD? How did this get so front page up after all covid and colloidal silver, MMS or hydroxychloroquine

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So now regular people thinking there are experts that know more than we do are becoming the new punks?
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