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Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by mushufasa »

f6v wrote: post #37
brap wrote: post #25

What the hell is an "AI device"? Unless we're talking robotics, I don't see why you would need a separate device for AI. Seems like we already have all the right form factors (phones, speakers, etc). This reminds me of when Facebook tried to make a Facebook phone. Turned out iPhones and Androids were significantly better as phones and they could do Facebook just fine.

There was this device in Neeuromancer. Like a small stone, you touch it and can talk to AI in your head. That’d be awesome.

Ya. Even a limited use AirPod-as-language-translator-in-real-time could be a good use of technology (something like this was in Hitchhiker's Guide and many other sci-fi). The leap in AI skill to trust translations more could enable the leap from looking at a phone to just having a bug in your ear.

Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by haroldp »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #15
tikkun wrote: post #4

For hardware devices that raised >$100mm before launch, how have they gone? Successes: * Tesla Non-successes: * Magic Leap * Juicero * Nuro * Segway What else am I missing? I suspect there are other successes that raised >$100mm pre-launch that I'm not thinking of. I wonder why they wouldn't start smaller. That said, I still expect they'll succeed, and I hope they succeed. I don't believe in any rules of thumb, great…

Oh man Juicero. Still remember watching someone tear one of those down. Absolutely incredible amounts of wasted work, materials, ludicrous overengineering to squeeze a damn bag.

That was AvE of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ

Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by rurp »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #24
jkestner wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, I'd take a glass of juice over cryptocurrency from a retina-scanning orb.

At least the creepy orb is trying to solve a problem that actually exists. Namely how do you know the guy you are talking to is a real person? And especially, how do you know the guy you are donating money to is a real person?

A glass of juice solves the problem of wanting a glass of juice... Both products solve a problem in a worse way than existing solutions.

Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by ant6n »

tikkun wrote: post #4

For hardware devices that raised >$100mm before launch, how have they gone? Successes: * Tesla Non-successes: * Magic Leap * Juicero * Nuro * Segway What else am I missing? I suspect there are other successes that raised >$100mm pre-launch that I'm not thinking of. I wonder why they wouldn't start smaller. That said, I still expect they'll succeed, and I hope they succeed. I don't believe in any rules of thumb, great…

What I wonder is, how do you raise 100M before launch? Like, they can’t possibly have a 100M valuation. So do they just dilute like crazy or what?

(I guess Tesla was largely funded by Musk kn the beginning, but I doubt that’s the standard)

Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by quickthrowman »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #7
tikkun wrote: post #4

For hardware devices that raised >$100mm before launch, how have they gone? Successes: * Tesla Non-successes: * Magic Leap * Juicero * Nuro * Segway What else am I missing? I suspect there are other successes that raised >$100mm pre-launch that I'm not thinking of. I wonder why they wouldn't start smaller. That said, I still expect they'll succeed, and I hope they succeed. I don't believe in any rules of thumb, great…

I don't think it makes sense to include Juicero in the list. There is no way that whatever Ive and Altman are cooking up is going to be as obviously stupid as Juicero.

> There is no way that whatever Ive and Altman are cooking up is going to be as obviously stupid as Juicero.

Worldcoin is easily 10x more stupid than Juicero. A glass of overpriced juice is much more benign and far more useful than retina scams and cryptocurrency.

Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by [deleted] »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #15
tikkun wrote: post #4

For hardware devices that raised >$100mm before launch, how have they gone? Successes: * Tesla Non-successes: * Magic Leap * Juicero * Nuro * Segway What else am I missing? I suspect there are other successes that raised >$100mm pre-launch that I'm not thinking of. I wonder why they wouldn't start smaller. That said, I still expect they'll succeed, and I hope they succeed. I don't believe in any rules of thumb, great…

Oh man Juicero. Still remember watching someone tear one of those down. Absolutely incredible amounts of wasted work, materials, ludicrous overengineering to squeeze a damn bag.

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Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mlnj wrote: post #35
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What the hell is an "AI device"? Puck and a pair of AirPods? (Maybe compute in the case?) A device optimised to run a set of LLMs and not sacrifice battery for e.g. a screen seems like it would have a niche, if it just worked. Picture the AIs profiled in the later series of Westworld.

Would it not make more sense to use OpenAI LLMs to be hosted away from these device. It would also align with Jony Ive's focus on design over everything else. Yet another data consumption device?

> Would it not make more sense to use OpenAI LLMs to be hosted away from these device

The lag is annoying. I don’t remember Ive’s position on privacy, but shipping everything off to the cloud isn’t great for that.

There might be satisfaction in having a childlike AI running on device who can call grandma—or whatever-when it needs help. One could tune it to different levels of spontaneity (“that’s a Magpie, in case you’re interested”) and proactiveness (“I noticed a new restaurant nearby and you haven’t eaten all day, so I grabbed a placeholder reservation”) that shouldn’t require a lot of phoning home to the mothership.

Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by highwaylights »

some1else wrote: post #19

Man, I can't even begin to imagine what they're going to come up with. Titanium AIPods. Non-detachable alluminum RayBans. Google Glass, but it's a literal Black Mirror worn on your face. Self-driving Segway. Transparent plastic smart lunchbox. Electric long-board that's also a tablet. Fist-mountable selfdefense impact jackhammer. 5G base station Zurb ball. A keyboard that starts repeating nnnn when you think of what…

Non-detachable aluminium RayBans. You’re welcome.

Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by eightnoneone »

mushufasa wrote: post #41
f6v wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was this device in Neeuromancer. Like a small stone, you touch it and can talk to AI in your head. That’d be awesome.

Ya. Even a limited use AirPod-as-language-translator-in-real-time could be a good use of technology (something like this was in Hitchhiker's Guide and many other sci-fi). The leap in AI skill to trust translations more could enable the leap from looking at a phone to just having a bug in your ear.

The babel fish.

https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Babel_Fish

Re: OpenAI and Jony Ive in talks to raise $1B from SoftBank for AI device venture

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Post by drvdevd »

gruturo wrote: post #36
some1else wrote: post #19

Man, I can't even begin to imagine what they're going to come up with. Titanium AIPods. Non-detachable alluminum RayBans. Google Glass, but it's a literal Black Mirror worn on your face. Self-driving Segway. Transparent plastic smart lunchbox. Electric long-board that's also a tablet. Fist-mountable selfdefense impact jackhammer. 5G base station Zurb ball. A keyboard that starts repeating nnnn when you think of what…

If you're this good when trolling for 5 minutes, I would be amazed to see you work seriously. Honestly some of those ideas are... terrible, of course, but awesome in their own distorted way. And also very Ive-like. Bravo, sir.

I need a self driving Segway, yesterday.
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