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Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Why is it specially allowed in hot water lines?

I think that is allowed because we don’t drink from the hot water tap.

I know people who fill their water boiler with hot tap water ...

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Question for any IQ skeptics here (e.g. "it just measures your ability to take tests" or "it just tells you how rich your parents are"): what's your response to studies like this? Is there anything that can be said about the effect of lead on cognitive function? Why might IQ be a good measure of lead-induced stupidification, but unreliable for literally anything else?

IQ is a mediocre-at-best metric for intelligence. "Intelligence" is probably real and variable among people, but poorly defined, very hard to test, and subject to a whole lot of opinion. IQ is bad at comparing people from different backgrounds, especially across cultures, languages, etc. But IQ can be a valid comparison for a single non-cultural variable. i.e. lead exposure in otherwise identical cohorts.

> otherwise identical cohorts.

You could do this stratification/matching for any IQ study. What's special about lead-IQ?

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Is IQ a piece of private information? Does everybody in the country get an IQ test in school? Can we just look that up in the public records? It sure would be useful if it was public and universal. For tracking the effects of lead poisoning for one. Or just factoring it into any big study. We might find something unexpected.

IQ being public might be problematic; I've heard from more than one lawyer that one ought-not use IQ as a hiring filter, unless you have evidence that the IQ test is not biased against any protected groups. Indeed, hiring from more selective universities is, to a certain degree, a way of laundering hiring based off of IQ, since you can pass the buck to the university itself to not be racially biased.

There are some races with average scores of 70. Can you believe it?

Why of course I am talking about "white america" in 1900s [1].

[1] https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/03/smarter

> Over the past 100 years, Americans' mean IQ has been on a slow but steady climb. Between 1900 and 2012, it rose nearly 30 points, which means that the average person of 2012 had a higher IQ than 95 percent of the population had in 1900.

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is allowed because we don’t drink from the hot water tap.

But when I googled hot water tap the first images it showed were... uh... https://www.sinks-taps.com/articles/2018/9/21/the-benefits-o...

hahaha ok, but that product is a hot-water heater built into your kitchen tap to do away with your hot water kettle. Presumably, that's not plumbed to your teapot with a lead boiler and faucet. (weird, "plumbed" means "leaded")

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is allowed because we don’t drink from the hot water tap.

...We don't...? Who?

In the past it was common knowledge not to. It's of much more uncertainty as house plumbing has changed.

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Critical race theory explains IQ differences between socioeconomic groups (including races) extremely well.

Does it? Most of what I’ve seen amounts to assume races are have equal inherent IQ distributions, given test results are unequal the assumption is then tests must be inherently biased (examples of recent immigrant non-English speaking Jews improving their IQ scores as they learned English) or differences are caused by socio economic factors. That logic would fall apart if the original assumption wasn’t made, but anything starting with a prior that races can have different IQ distributions is thrown out as racist. The progressive book ‘The Genetic Lottery’ kind-of makes the case for polygenic factors considered evenly distributed amongst the races as a basis for that assumption but in my view their logic has a number of holes in it. If there is a better treatment of the topic I’m genuinely interested in reading it.

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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epic water filter + nalgene 32 oz hdpe bottle is a great, lightweight filtered drinking water on-demand system filter pitchers are easy to use and a good safe guard against poor plumbing if you haven't had your home water tested

It is my understanding that the common filter pitchers don't filter out lead.

That's not correct. It depends on the water filter. A common Brita filter doesn't filter lead. But the referenced filter (Epic) does. There are other filters that can do that, the most popular is ZeroWater, which you can check their datasheet https://www.zerowater.eu/wp-content/uploads/ZeroWater-NSF-ce...

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Question for any IQ skeptics here (e.g. "it just measures your ability to take tests" or "it just tells you how rich your parents are"): what's your response to studies like this? Is there anything that can be said about the effect of lead on cognitive function? Why might IQ be a good measure of lead-induced stupidification, but unreliable for literally anything else?

> "it just measures your ability to take tests"

This is largely wrong. One could be a master at test-taking and not come close to a high score.

That said, familiarly with the test/item structure almost certainly helps, especially for folks with the potential to score high (see below).

> or "it just tells you how rich your parents are")

Hmm… family wealth and IQ may be correlated, but not perfectly so. There are plenty of low-IQ rich people and also plenty of high-IQ poor people.

> what's your response to studies like this?

Probably too many confounding variables. That said, this study is a publishable unit that can push one or more funded agendas, so here we are.

> Is there anything that can be said about the effect of lead on cognitive function?

While I know a bit about IQ, I don’t know much about the details of the relationship of IQ and lead.

> Why might IQ be a good measure of lead-induced stupidification

Maybe it’s not. See “funded agendas” comment above.

> but unreliable for literally anything else?

(the main reason I replied is below)

People really need to let go of this idea in a reasonably reliable way.

1. IQ measures reasoning ability. It is quite good at measuring this.

2. People put a lot of weight onto how IQ correlates with a bunch of other things, but these are not things that IQ tests are designed to measure. As such, these correlations may not be meaningful in some cases. So the “literally anything else” that IQ is allegedly not good for is almost entirely things that IQ tests are not designed to measure. I don’t think it’s prudent to disregard the test/measure because of misuse by some folks (typically within agendas).

3. People get very self-conscious about IQ scores. Let me help with that. IQ scores are a measure on a particular day that can vary from day to day for any one person. For any given test taker, they are trying to optimize what they score out of a theoretical max (i.e., their “true IQ”). Many, many things cause people to score lower than their potential max — lack of sleep, lack of food, external distractions, distress (physical, mental, emotional), anxiety, ambivalence, lack of test familiarity, etc. Very few things cause them to score higher than their max (it will almost certainly be within the confidence interval). It’s ok. Retake the test if it matters (it usually doesn’t).

4. IQ matters most in three areas, imho. The first is at the extremes. Gifted/genius folks and learning disabled folks need additional resources. How and whether this is implemented is highly debated. The second is in leadership positions. You want your leaders (e.g., in the military) to be within about 20 IQ points of those they lead. The idea is that > 20 IQ delta folks see the world in fundamentally different ways, so leading someone who views the world so differently is difficult and largely inefficient. The third is with one’s significant other. Same as above, it will be hard to be understood (if that’s your goal) by someone who is +/-20 IQ points away from you.

I hope this helps.

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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epic water filter + nalgene 32 oz hdpe bottle is a great, lightweight filtered drinking water on-demand system filter pitchers are easy to use and a good safe guard against poor plumbing if you haven't had your home water tested

HDPE Nalgene bottles probably leach PFAS: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nalgene/comments/wqdgbi/are_nalgene... Glass or stainless steel would be a better choice (especially for storage).

Whats my risk of exposure to lead from improperly made glass or stainless steel?

Re: Lead poisoning causes more death, IQ loss than thought: study

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Does anyone know the the risk is for electronics hobbyist?

Don't lick your boards, wash your hands before you eat, and if you're really concerned, wear gloves while handling solder wire.

The smoke from soldering isn't lead - a soldering tip is (if it's not literally glowing into the yellows) far, far too cold to vaporize any lead from solder - you need to be 1500+C for it to start being a problem, and you're not soldering that high. It's rosin smoke, and if you're in doubt, leave your iron in a puddle of solder - it shouldn't smoke, it should just sit there liquid after the initial rosin has burned off.

The rosin smoke isn't great, but it's not a lead toxicity issue.

Your concern is lead on your hands from the wire, and then eating afterwards without a good scrubbing. I don't think it will penetrate your skin, but you could always wear a pair of gloves if you wanted. There are some shooting sports soaps that are designed to help really rip any lead off your hands, so you might use one of those if you're concerned.

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