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Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a somewhat related note: how come we, as a society, have never really adopted the daily "video log" (except for the YouTubers amongst us; the Neistat wannabes), but we have _heavily_ adopted the idea of the written journal?

An important part of journaling is the composition process. I have to explicitly structure a thought for it to make any sense in a written form. This is a slow, intentional process. I've had one-page journal entries take over an hour to compose and write, though I usually average 20 minutes per page. In the limited number of attempts I've tried with audio journaling, it always comes across as stream-of-consciousness.…

Sure, there's a difference between stream-of-consciousness note-taking/idea capture of brain babble and composing cohesive thoughts in a coherent manner.

But the nice thing is that a journal can be either or both, often at the same time. I think the most important thing about writing a daily journal is that the act of writing things down itself is a way of processing the thoughts and attempting to make sense of them.

I'm talk to myself too much to even attempt an audio or video journal. Speech to text certainly has it's usefulness, but I can't help thinking that video journaling borders more on performance than capturing/expanding/exploring ideas and thoughts. I'm sure there's lots of filmmakers and documentarians who'll disagree with me on that, though.

Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

listening is good for multitasking . both formats have pros and cons. you can listen to a book in the car for example.

Listening requires so much focus from me that if I try to multitask I’ll just realize, after a span of seconds to minutes, that I’ve not heard a single word that was said. It’ll happen again as soon as I pick the multitasking back up. May as well read or watch a video. Same focus required either way. Though I do think I’m unusual. Basically can’t enjoy podcasts the way most people do, which is a bummer. In hindsight,…

Some people struggle with multitasking more than others, but nobody is actually good at it: https://www.apa.org/topics/research/multitasking

That being said, some easy/mindless tasks (such as doodling in this example) can actually improve focus, which might be mistaken for multitasking: https://university-relations.umn.edu/blog/2021/07/16/doodlin...

I can imagine that background noise, like a podcast, might not hinder some people's focus; it may even improve it. However, if they are not focusing closely on both the podcast AND on the other task they are performing, I would not call that multitasking. For example, I listen to the radio when I drive long distances because it stops me from feeling bored or fatigued, but I don't consider it multitasking because the driving itself is mindless in this scenario. As soon as I need to focus more actively on driving, I stop paying attention to the radio.

Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Listening requires so much focus from me that if I try to multitask I’ll just realize, after a span of seconds to minutes, that I’ve not heard a single word that was said. It’ll happen again as soon as I pick the multitasking back up. May as well read or watch a video. Same focus required either way. Though I do think I’m unusual. Basically can’t enjoy podcasts the way most people do, which is a bummer. In hindsight,…

Like Feynman once discovered how different people have different processing architectures, just from the simple act of counting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4y0EUlU-Y

That is very interesting. I am like Fenyman in this regard: counting internally is verbal, while reading is visual. I can count, recite the ABCs, sing, etc., while reading, just so long as I have it sufficiently well memorized that I can do it mindlessly. (I can't read and also actively think about something else. The reading takes up all of my thought process.)

I would be curious to know if Fenyman experienced an internal monologue while he was thinking. I do not (my internal verbalizing is basically limited to recalling information that I've memorized rote), and I've often wondered if this is why I am adept at reading without verbalizing.

Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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The written word may be superior to speech in conveying information efficiently, but only if you assume that the recipient is willing and capable of engaging with the medium. Unfortunately, that does not apply to most people you will encounter. A significant majority of people will struggle with pieces of text longer than a couple of sentences while having no trouble at all receiving the same information verbally. Th…

It's not just people who struggle with text who benefit from listening to someone speak.

I am extremely introverted, I struggle to identify facial expressions, I am highly adept at reading, and I'm also a bit hard of hearing (what I think may be a verbal processing disorder in my brain, because I have had several hearing tests and they have not been able to find anything wrong). You would think this means that I agree with the author of this article.

Yet I find verbal communication still very valuable when it is paired with facial expressions and body communication (especially hand gestures). Some concepts are extremely difficult to get across without these additional elements.

There have been many times that I've read extensively about a topic and struggled to imagine what they are describing, then watched a YouTube video of someone simply standing in front of a camera and describing the topic, and only then does it finally click for me. It goes the other way, too, of course (hearing it first without understanding and then reading it to have to click), but it suggests to me that both are valuable for understanding.

If I had to choose only one, I would choose reading. However, being limited to only reading would reduce my ability to learn about complex topics.

Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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In this day and age, anyone who doesn't take steps to hide their identity online is quite likely an NPC with no original thoughts and thus no reason to worry about ever experiencing negative consequences from expressing themselves. A normie tosser trumpeting their lack of need to hide their personal information online is the intellectual equivalent of a homeless person bragging about not having any need for a bank ac…

Yes, this is written by someone who is not as deep thinking as they think they are.

It does not require creative genius to imagine scenarios that disprove the claims (like the one you cited here) they have so thoughtlessly asserted. It does, however, require them to put some real effort toward aligning their beliefs with observable reality.

Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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I think that the author is a little mixed up and is /actually/ saying that 'Reading is Objectively Superior to Listening as a Communication Method'. Writing != Reading and as someone building an app powered by dictation that turns speech into text for the reader to consume... speaking is fast, reliable and powerful and reading is fast, reliable and powerful. On the other hand typing (especially on mobile, but even on…

On a somewhat related note: how come we, as a society, have never really adopted the daily "video log" (except for the YouTubers amongst us; the Neistat wannabes), but we have _heavily_ adopted the idea of the written journal?

Depending on the day I’ll do my journaling through dictation on my phone or iPad while I exercise. There isn’t a video component but I’m guessing that the speaking component is more of what you’re bringing up.

As other commenters have said, it ends up more like a stream of consciousness and not something well thought out. My word choice isn’t as good. The prose just kind of sucks. I don’t learn much about myself from these sorts of entries.

This is something I’ve simply accepted will happen because I do this on days that I don’t have time to sit in front of a keyboard for 30m. Maybe having more well defined prompts would help improve the quality of these entries. I’m not sure.

Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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post #23
post #4

I think that the author is a little mixed up and is /actually/ saying that 'Reading is Objectively Superior to Listening as a Communication Method'. Writing != Reading and as someone building an app powered by dictation that turns speech into text for the reader to consume... speaking is fast, reliable and powerful and reading is fast, reliable and powerful. On the other hand typing (especially on mobile, but even on…

On a somewhat related note: how come we, as a society, have never really adopted the daily "video log" (except for the YouTubers amongst us; the Neistat wannabes), but we have _heavily_ adopted the idea of the written journal?

Remember those wedding or birthday parties catch with camcorders on Super8 or VHS? Then see that requirement for video log was high compared to nowadays were most people have a smartphone and they exist platforms like youtube/vimeo/facebook/etc for storage and sharing. If you have privacy concerns, it's still not a viable solution unless you have some computers management backgrounds (and can afford investments in storage and backup.)

On the other hand, pencils and notebooks were affordable. Once you knew writing, paper journal was most obvious than self video. If you wanted to make the journal available to public, blog was a thing (like vlog is today.) However, on heavy adoption, not everybody use to log…

Also note that as handwriting decrease while typewriting increase, written journal become digital.

Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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There is a certain self-centeredness present in many people that bothers me and that this piece displays in spades.

It usually goes something like this.

"I am A Very Smart Person. I do not understand the point of Thing X. Therefore, Thing X must be useless and anyone that cares about Thing X must be an imbecile."

The core issue here is that the only thing this kind of argument does is portray the person making the argument as incapable of even conceiving the idea that there can be other points of view and other ways of interacting with the world than their own. In this case, to the point that after making a fully subjective argument, the author claims that their point is "objective" seemingly due to lack of self-awareness.

I am aware that the author is autistic and that autism usually comes with a certain difficulty when it comes to putting oneself into other peoples' shoes and a certain lack of self-awareness, but the self-aggrandizing tone of this little essay is simply very tiring.

Re: Writing Is Objectively Superior to Speaking as a Communication Method (2020)

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Autism is no excuse for this level of confusion about what “objective” means and scorn for others’ ways of communicating that escalated to (checks notes) blatant and explicit misogyny. Plenty of autistic people do not do this.
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