I wonder if there will be any substantial increase in pedojacketing among cultural elites towards those they see as undesirables now that the bill is passed, or whether the second order effects of the bill will lead to a backlash against the existing proliferation of it from the young, globally connected, and tech savvy populations still remaining in Britain after the depredations of the last decade.
UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill
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Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill
#42I don't know why the UK bothers to make new laws. It has no hope of enforcing them. The Police are mired in scandal and cut to the bone. The courts system is taking apart, with criminal barristers forced to strike for pay, courts closed and massive backlogs in both the criminal and civil branches. Prisons are full, and taking apart. A terrorist on remand escaped last week. What are they possibly going to do with yet…
You misunderstand. The NSA has collected massive amounts of data on everyone, they could easily solve many murders, burglaries and most other crimes. But they don't, in fact they don't event really stop terrorists.
So why collect all this data? They do it so they have a massive backlog of information, so that when someone decides you need to be taken care of they no longer have to figure out something to pin on you, they don't have to navigate around that pesky 4th Amendment. The purpose is so that when they decide you need to be taken care of they can go through the backlog find whatever they want and then boom. You're done.
Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill
#43The bill makes sites prove they are committed to removing content:
* promoting or facilitating suicide
* promoting self-harm
Serious question - how will this affect discussions around euthanasia? Can people just not discuss that online in the UK anymore?
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is the UK government in collapse? The same reasons as the US?
different. The US government is designed to be inefficient and requires bipartisan agreement or a majority in both chambers to do stuff. The UK government has significantly more executive powers, far more than the president, and normally has a majority to pass things that can't be done by the excutive. the problem is that brexit and bad party leaders has been exceedingly disruptive and killed both the conservative an…
One might argue that the electoral system (FPTP) is a common denominator in both cases. Under another system, new parties might arise to replace to stale ideas of the old (on both the left and the right). Under FPTP, that's almost impossible to achieve.
It's a common refrain that people don't engage with politics because they feel disenfranchised. Which is perhaps unsurprising, because to a large extent they are!
Re: UK Parliament passes Online Safety Bill
#45I don't know why the UK bothers to make new laws. It has no hope of enforcing them. The Police are mired in scandal and cut to the bone. The courts system is taking apart, with criminal barristers forced to strike for pay, courts closed and massive backlogs in both the criminal and civil branches. Prisons are full, and taking apart. A terrorist on remand escaped last week. What are they possibly going to do with yet…
You misunderstand. The NSA has collected massive amounts of data on everyone, they could easily solve many murders, burglaries and most other crimes. But they don't, in fact they don't event really stop terrorists. So why collect all this data? They do it so they have a massive backlog of information, so that when someone decides you need to be taken care of they no longer have to figure out something to pin on you,…
> You misunderstand.
Nice, start with an insult!
> they don't have to navigate around that pesky 4th Amendment.
They got around that in the UK already by not having a 4th Amendment...or indeed a written constitution.
> They do it so they have a massive backlog of information,
This implies a level of competence I do not recognise in the UK government.
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#46I wonder if this sort of thing would lead to more people self-hosting again since it seems to be targeted at "big tech". So because Facebook, tiktok, YouTube et al start over-censoring, people just think fuck it and start hosting their own content again?
Doubtful. People either don't care or are too lazy to shift. Also, I think it's safe to assume ISP's are going to be wrapped in on this too.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems that a lot of people idiotically think that what is best for the children is for them to live in a dystopia.
I expect that the overlap between "honestly care for childrens' quality of life" and "understands the ramifictions of this bill to any significant extent" is near zero. (Though there are doubtless many people who have inaccurately convinced themselves they are members of both classes.)
yes, but undoubtedly the UK's security services know that the best way to pass something unpopular is to recast it as helping
children
women
the vulnerable
much like the content of the 2010 CIA memo that wikileaks released[1] stating that the best way to increase public support for US military actions in Afghanistan is to emphasize the oppression of women
[1]https://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_report_into_shoring_up_Afghan...
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#48I hope other countries don't copy the UK. With the Internet we have choice of jurisdiction and can happily avoid any cryptography projects operating out of the UK. I don't care if WhatsApp will become wiretapped in the UK. My beloved Matrix operates out of there, that's what concerns me.
And I have to use WhatsApp because of its network effect (all my friends and family are on it). I have tried recruiting them on to Signal and Matrix, but the mental fatigue for them of doing that; means I have only have three friends on Signal, and ~100s stuck on shitty WhatsApp.
Hopefully the more tech savvy friends of mine will ditch WhatsApp and choose Signal. And I'm not saying Signal doesn't have its issues (meatspace identity tied to your number etc) but it's far superior to WhatsApp which collects too much metadata like, it knows your contacts, when you talk to them, IP and other metadata.
Does anyone else have this issue of recruiting friends and family onto more privacy-respecting messenger apps?
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think most of the companies saying they would pull out said they would because of the parts of the bill targeting end to end encryption. I thought they dropped that part of the bill, I may be mistaken though.
They said it wasn't currently feasible. Meaning they believe it will be (lol) years or decades down the line.
Pretty much. I’m not sure if it got included but if it was feasibly possible they absolutely would — which is just as bad in my opinion. Lack of capability does not nullify intent.
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#50Does anyone have a link to the full text of the bill? The House of Lords site only seems to list the amendments without context.
I’m interested to know if it passed with the (ridiculous) requirement of a third party age verification service