Posting from an iphone12 mini which I think is the perfect form factor. It’s a shame they won’t sell it.
Agreed. I have a 13 mini personal and a normal 12 as my work phone. I hate the regular size so much.
French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
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#42> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation
The sun has ionizing radiations, this doesn't Weird that we're regulating for 4W/kg of non-ionizing radiations
Is that the limit? Because it sounds like a lot, it's like hitting someone with a tennis ball every second. (unless of course I'm misunderstanding the definition)
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Go right a head then but I know prolonged no distance (touching skin) exposure to wifi RF antenna will burn you from the inside out. It was painful but it heals fast.
What makes you say things like this that are easily verifiably false? I am reaching over and touching my WiFi router’s antennas right now and I’m not being “painfully burned from the inside out.” I’m hoping the answer is a desire to make a joke and not something that indicates a disconnection with reality.
I can think of a few reasons why you might get different results. The plastic cover over the metal antenna might be thick enough to keep your skin away(inverse-square law). The version of WiFi has different frequencies(2.4 ghz vs 5 ghz). The Wi-Fi isn't actively transmitting at full power. Or you're simply not holding it there as long.
I'm sure we could come up with a repeatable experiment for this that doesn't have any risk of burning.
Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
#44Medical limits are 4W/kg, I'm amazed they're this far off.
FCC seems to limit at 1.6W/kg. https://www.fcc.gov/general/specific-absorption-rate-sar-cel...
How is this measured exactly?
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#45I don't get the lag. They first started measure in 2021 for the iphone 12. Did it take 2 years to check the result ? Is it from a new test ? https://data.anfr.fr/anfr/visualisation/table/?id=ad8014ec-f...
I guess there are a lot of check and balances before banning a very popular product from a big company.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sun has ionizing radiations, this doesn't Weird that we're regulating for 4W/kg of non-ionizing radiations
Is that the limit? Because it sounds like a lot, it's like hitting someone with a tennis ball every second. (unless of course I'm misunderstanding the definition)
Not sure how you calculated that, but it’s more like standing beneath a quite strong LED lamp (~300W for around 80 kilos).
The reason it is relatively easy to surpass the limit in a phone is that you use it from quite close, and the energy density decreases exponentially with distance.
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At the power levels we're talking about (5W)? Of course I would. The effects are well known: It heats your hands up at 5 joules per second. Incidentally, Tech Ingredients has a great video on using microwave ovens without an enclosure and how to block similar directed energy weapons that use a lot more than 5W: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_aUOSLuRo
Go right a head then but I know prolonged no distance (touching skin) exposure to wifi RF antenna will burn you from the inside out. It was painful but it heals fast.
Wtf are you talking about
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sun has ionizing radiations, this doesn't Weird that we're regulating for 4W/kg of non-ionizing radiations
Is that the limit? Because it sounds like a lot, it's like hitting someone with a tennis ball every second. (unless of course I'm misunderstanding the definition)
In terms of heat, 4 joules would heat 27g of water (the weight of a ballsack) by 0.14°C
Maybe that's why
Re: French regulators order Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
#49> testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted SMH, they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation Next they'll issue an order to halt sunrise and the subsequent 1000W/m^2 of electromagnetic radiation
A microwave oven has produces non-ionizing radiation, would you put your hand inside one while it's on? It's non-ionizing so it should be 100% safe right?
Microwaves were used to heat up and reanimate frozen hamsters. You just obviously don’t do it at 1000W, unless you are planning on eating said hamsters..
But taking into account the amount of heat a gram of tissue can reasonably absorb, it doesn’t cause any biological change whatsoever.
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I wonder why it took them 3 years to find out, I thought these radiation tests are pretty basic these days due to cancer scares some decade and half (?) ago. I think gsmarena publishes similar values in their summary pages, but maybe its just copy paste from release material.
> I wonder why it took them 3 years to find out From the ANFR publication [1] «141 mobile phones, including Apple’s iPhone 12, have recently been tested to check compliance with limit SAR values». I suspect they simply weren't tested before. sigh. [1] https://www.anfr.fr/liste-actualites/actualite/temporary-wit...
Most EU regulations let manufacturers self certify they are observing them. This should come with heavy testing but sadly this is so irregular you can get away with a lot.
A few years ago a French tech journal caught several huge chinese PSU maker who claimed they had all certification but during actual testing they would catch fire or short under 50% of rated load.