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iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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Apple would cannibalize their computer and iPad sales if they were supporting the thin client model like Samsung DeX. See how they already avoid cannibalization of the iPhone business by preventing the iPad to make phone calls. They protect their product lines from each other. As much as I like to see such a feature, I don’t think Apple will ever give it to us.

The iPhone literally destroyed their most important product at the time, the iPod.

Weird take.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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post #33

Apple will take the approach theorized here when it can be done wirelessly. Bring your phone close to a "Magic Monitor" and the desktop experience starts instantly. The change of plug shape is irrelevant to whether this paradigm shift happens inside Apple, but Apple is better positioned than any other device maker to accomplish it if they focused on it.

Is apple wireless carplay the precursor to this?

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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>An iPhone that’s able to project something more like iPadOS (or, ideally, but not definitely wishful thinking on my part — macOS) when connected to a screen could easily replace a laptop for probably a significant portion of the population, including for casual computing, and for the work tasks of the bulk of the knowledge workforce. No, it wouldn't, because you'd need a display and input device(s) at your destinati…

> There's no need for the device's local storage when you're already syncing important documents to the cloud anyway Syncing to the cloud is a pain, requires an internet connection, etc. If I could just carry everything around on a personal device and leave the cloud as backup only I would love that.

And you’re in a minority. It’s 2023. At least two of the major airlines have free wifi. Delta being one and i don’t know the other.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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>An iPhone that’s able to project something more like iPadOS (or, ideally, but not definitely wishful thinking on my part — macOS) when connected to a screen could easily replace a laptop for probably a significant portion of the population, including for casual computing, and for the work tasks of the bulk of the knowledge workforce. No, it wouldn't, because you'd need a display and input device(s) at your destinati…

> No, it wouldn't, because you'd need a display and input device(s) at your destination. So then we ended up with these laptop-style shells for Android and Windows Phone devices that supported this model and suddenly you can't use your phone separately while you're in laptop mode. It's easier to just bring a laptop/Chromebook with you.

Maybe for you. For me, I rarely actually use my Macbook Pro in a laptop mode - it's docked at one location or another (but different locations and different Macs, including ones owned by different people). Being able to do that with a phone and not carting around an extra screen and extra keyboard would be pretty nice, as it happens!

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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How does the author make the logical leap from "it'll use Type C" to "it'll have Samsung DeX equivalent"? I think it's too much of a gimmick for Apple to even try, plus Apple is really not known for giving a damn about making their products work well with third-party peripherals.

As much as I want to like things like dex, I always find myself thinking that the real world application isn't really any better than carrying around a laptop.

Yeah. In a normal work day on a brand new i7 w/ 32 gigs of ram, I would say I get frustrated by the computer not doing what I tell it to in a decent timeframe more than a few times a day.

Now we’re saying “hey, let’s take a slower device with even slower pieces of shit applications on a foundation that worse at multi-window multitasking and make it what people use”

I’d probably blow my own brains out if this actually happened.

The technology is there for this to be usable. The dogshit development practice of “well, the hardware will catch up to my dogshit eventually” is meaning that “the technology isn’t there”.

Edit:

Case in point. This very laptop just spent 15 MINUTES cold boot till it allowed me to join my Teams meeting.

Granted the phone will stay on, so wouldn’t run in to cold boot issues. But also, I don’t want my work phone on all the time. That’s just letting work invade my personal time.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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B.S. If this was going to happen, why didn't it already happen a decade+ ago on the overwhelming-dominant mobile platform, Android? Especially given that the technology existed in a complete, commercially-available consumer platform no later than 2011? https://www.cnet.com/reviews/motorola-laptop-dock-review/

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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post #9

Apple would cannibalize their computer and iPad sales if they were supporting the thin client model like Samsung DeX. See how they already avoid cannibalization of the iPhone business by preventing the iPad to make phone calls. They protect their product lines from each other. As much as I like to see such a feature, I don’t think Apple will ever give it to us.

Which is a very sad conclusion because Steve Jobs was very explicit that they had to cannibalize their own products or someone else would.

I believe this is specifically not to fear making something better due to potential cannibalization.

I suspect they don't feel iPhone apps (at as they are coded by developers today) as a "KVM-style" desktop experience is 'making something better' than the Mac - or even really worth doing.

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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It also has the potential to be quite confusing. There will almost certainly be some laptops that attempt to charge themselves from the iPhone battery depending on which of the 10 versions of USB-C are being implemented. Will all the counterfeit usb-c cables also cause a bunch of confusion when features don’t work? Will plugging in your phone at the airport be less of a risk?

> Will all the counterfeit usb-c cables also cause a bunch of confusion when features don’t work?

Only if Apple adds MFi-style DRM like they did with Lightning. Otherwise, the only real "features" that could possibly break is data/charging, which is a problem on most serial cables (including Lightning).

Re: iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C

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The forced shift to USB-C is indisputably a win for consumers. Well done EU. The strangest thing has been all the people whining and claiming this stifles innovation. It doesn't.

Seeing that when the EU first wanted this they wanted to force everyone to use micro USB, what happens when someone wants to invent a better standard?
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