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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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#41
Me and many other people commented here when the whole thing started that layoffs in a time of record profits and cashflows were basically a strategy to keep salaries low. At this point I honestly don't know how innocent one has to be to think that everything is an organic coincidence and not an orchestrated move.

Companies colluding to make the life of workers worse and boost their profits, that has never happened before in the history of humanity.

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#42

Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

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> H1B at big tech is modern slavery

that's putting it too far - they are free to leave or quit as they wish. Unlike the true modern slavery of which is migrant workers (like described here https://www.antislavery.org/world-cup-2022-the-reality-for-m...), where their passports are confiscated, etc.

H1B is exploiting the rules for cheap labour. It does benefit the H1B holder - since they would otherwise not have signed up. The losers in the situation are the local workers who expect to be paid higher, but is out-competed by these foreign workers.

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#43
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For H1B don't they have to show that they are paying at least market rate? And isn't it a factor in awarding the visa?

I've personally noticed that H1B tech workers get paid significantly lower than others. It's a shameful business practice and obviously also really hurts the competitiveness of non-visa workers. My guess is that there's no clear market rate for any position. Companies can always say there's a wide range between lowest and highest paid for any given role.

It depends on the company and I would bet my life’s savings that if a discrepancy exists at Google, it is not intentional. I have many American friends, friends on TN visas, and friends on H1Bs and we are transparent about our pay (to protect each other from poor business practices). Being involved in the process there are so many legal barriers and red tape and people take it all seriously.

H1B holders will get paid less over time due to not being able to leave companies at the drop of a hat. A similar but less significant effect holds for TN visas. I have not once seen any significant pay discrepancy for two comparable software engineers at the same company based on visa status.

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#45

I’m not familiar with the US visa rules, but aren’t companies supposed to demonstrate that they can’t source talent domestically before bringing people in on visas? This seems odd and damaging to the US economy. And I say this as a non-US person

Yeah but it's excessively easy. Rules most likely have changed since I was myself on an h1b 10+ years ago, but iirc all you had to do was show a job posting up for a certain amount of time without being able to hire.

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#46

I’m not familiar with the US visa rules, but aren’t companies supposed to demonstrate that they can’t source talent domestically before bringing people in on visas? This seems odd and damaging to the US economy. And I say this as a non-US person

See my reply to ftyers. It's very easy to get around the rules.

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#47

I mean, no kidding. Half the people I work with are H-1B. The program takes jobs away from Americans and should be illegal. I want to work with people from my town, not people from halfway across the world.

if you want to pick who you want to work with, maybe start your own company

and then you will probably figure out yourself that you need the H-1Bs

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#48

I’m not familiar with the US visa rules, but aren’t companies supposed to demonstrate that they can’t source talent domestically before bringing people in on visas? This seems odd and damaging to the US economy. And I say this as a non-US person

I believe that, in many places, tech jobs are exempt from such restrictions.

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#49

I’m not familiar with the US visa rules, but aren’t companies supposed to demonstrate that they can’t source talent domestically before bringing people in on visas? This seems odd and damaging to the US economy. And I say this as a non-US person

They can always reason that they can't hire market rate.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

#50

Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

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This feels a little hyperbolic. I’m a world where Forever 21 was importing actual slaves chained to sewing machines I think the people accepting voluntary contracts that undercut the price of local labor are at most modern indentured servants.
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