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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by wredue »

fh9302 wrote: post #21

This article seems to conflate Apple for Meta's privacy violations. Yes, the OS can always make it more difficult to do fingerprinting and the app store could add even more "privacy warnings", but in the end if you use a privacy violating third party app they will always find ways to slurp up all your data. Using this as some kind of argument that Apple doesn't care about privacy is dishonest.

And uh. Let be honest with ourselves here.

Our alternative is currently android.

So instead of meta slurping up all your shit, google vacuums it all up and then some, and lets even more of it trickle in to meta.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by Guvante »

I don't know why everyone points to taking pictures and audio as scary on social media apps.

The ability to record and post a video is effectively baseline functionality and requires those permissions.

Certainly Meta is doing shady things here but not all of the permissions are necessarily sketchy. (I would agree that much like position data more specificity would be good for permissions)

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

screye wrote: post #32

Apple's core incentives are misaligned with stealing your data. And that's why they are more trustworthy than facebook. It's that simple. Apple is first and foremost a lifestyle company, then a b2b platform company, then a hardware company. The lifestyle company ensures customer acquisition and the 'unreasonable' pricing . The platform company is the revenue, the moat and the golden handcuffs for every 3rd party comp…

No corporation has strong incentives not to “steal” your data. It’s just not something 99% of consumers care about so if they can make more money doing it they will.

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Post by sfc32 »

That was a fun little presentation, nothing super-new there but it did have a good idea about showing the trust level of the application with a badge.

All credibility was then swept away by "Sign up with Google" to the mailing list on the last page. Hilarious.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by flanbiscuit »

boesboes wrote: post #4

Fuck me that’s the worst UX I’ve seen in ages

I had the opposite reaction, but I'm on my laptop. It looks like they are using RevealJS (https://revealjs.com/). I mention that because I originally went in thinking of this as an "article" with an alternative UX, but in reality it's just a slide show.

I did just try it on my mobile (Firefox, Android) and this format definitely doesn't translate well. I put it in landscape and it just shrink down the desktop site to fit. I feel like they should either encourage people to read on desktop or have an alternative mobile version.

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Post by yard2010 »

phailhaus wrote: post #14
M4v3R wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just tech-speak. To the end user these are two separate apps. And Meta definitely has a way of telling which bits of data came from Threads and which from Instragram. They just chose not to make it easy for the user to delete only Threads data.

The point is that your Threads account is your Instagram account. They're not separate.

That's just bs engineering and even shittier way of communicating this technical incompetency to the user. Facebook is like the Russia of tech. Casual, convenient incompetency. Which is not incompetency at all, just evil.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by kstrauser »

screye wrote: post #32

Apple's core incentives are misaligned with stealing your data. And that's why they are more trustworthy than facebook. It's that simple. Apple is first and foremost a lifestyle company, then a b2b platform company, then a hardware company. The lifestyle company ensures customer acquisition and the 'unreasonable' pricing . The platform company is the revenue, the moat and the golden handcuffs for every 3rd party comp…

> I trust Apple not because they're good. But because selling your data hurts their bottomline. Trust capitalistic incentives and teack records, everything else is virtue signalling.

Nailed it. I trust Apple (as much as I’d trust any giant corp, and there are none more giant) because they have a profit motive to sell me privacy-respecting products. They have a few trillion dollars to lose by burning their customers.

If Apple were good about privacy because Tim Cook is a nice guy who believed in it even if it were a financial loss, that would be one CEO change away from disappearing. That’s not the case. Their stockholders are raking in cash from it. And if there’s one thing I trust in capitalism, it’s that a smart company will do things that make it more money.

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