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Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by dudus »

xarope wrote: post #12

As a former MtG player I think the difficulty lies not in creating cards, but in ensuring there's a level of balance between existing cards and new sets.

The AI can be trained on all current MtG cards to be able to generate cards with comparable power levels intuitively. Also to generate art and lore that fits the power distribution.... Maybe it can create synergies between generated sets and combos or counters to generate more diverse and fair fights....

I'm not sure Wizards of the coast should be excited or terrified with the possibilities

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by fmc30 »

fmc30 wrote: post #38

I actually made a small hobby site that generates Magic cards using gpt (you can choose 3.5 or 4): https://mtgcardgenerator.com You'll need to log in though so I can keep costs under control, but it's a lot of fun to play around with :)

Sorry, https://www.mtgcardgenerator.com/ will do it.

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by ycombinete »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #33
ycombinete wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First thing would be to quickly identify which cards are valuable. This can be done using phone app scanners like the TCG Player App, Delver lens etc. They auto-scan the cards in and give you a value based on the mid-price in the market. For p2p sales TCG's mid-price is usually used as the de facto value of a card. If you are in the USA you can send cards in bulk the CardKingdom.com. I know some people that even did…

Sadly in Germany :-( Perhaps a reader knows about a reputable bulk service here, good point.

Your best bet might still be to use Card Kingdom. I've had friends ship their cards from countries in the middle east over to card kingdom when their collections were large enough. For smaller collections Ebay, and even local game stores in the area should work fine as well.

If it were me I'd find a local game store, and go ask the guys there what they use.

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by WA »

wly_cdgr wrote: post #31
anxman wrote: post #2

I bet WOTC would find this very useful!

I am extremely confident WoTC is aware of this and is working on and/or using similar

Considering the amount of cards they tend to produce these days, makes you wonder if they aren't already using some kind of AI to generate a baseline of cards.

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by xarope »

mdp2021 wrote: post #34
xarope wrote: post #12

As a former MtG player I think the difficulty lies not in creating cards, but in ensuring there's a level of balance between existing cards and new sets.

That is where AI-based play automation to test the cards should come in place.

would love to have AI be able to play MtG sensibly, key word being sensibly!

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by dtx1 »

saghm wrote: post #9
tayo42 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be interesting if it could make balanced cards. I wonder what kind of crazy op decks these generated cards allows for

Humans aren't exactly great at this either; cards needing to be banned has only gotten more frequent over time, although it looks like this year has been the first one in a while not to require a lot[1] [1]: https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Banned_and_restricted_cards/Time...

There has been a paper on using genetic algorithms for deckbuilding in magic[0]

I'm working on at least partially reproducing and improving upon the paper but the reality is that MTG as a game is really hard to implement (and a shitload of work) so i'm building my own MTG inspired game to try and balance it using genetic deck building.

[0] https://ntnuopen.ntnu.no/ntnu-xmlui/bitstream/handle/11250/2...

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by akumetsu »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #19

I found my old Gathering cards (e.G. Antiquities), and want to sell. Is there a good AI software that determines which cards are mint etc? I feel uncomfortable selling on eBay, b/c I have no clue.

I used to buy&sell mtg cards and some collections, depending on the time you want to invest there are different options: 1. Take everything to a local shop that buys cards, most big cities have one and they buy everything at once, but pay under market value. 2. Ebay, sell it as a single collection 3. cardmarket.com is very good, helps you grade the cards and shows accurate market values, might take time to set everything up and might result in lots of different sales, so lots of Briefen

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by chii »

dudus wrote: post #41
xarope wrote: post #12

As a former MtG player I think the difficulty lies not in creating cards, but in ensuring there's a level of balance between existing cards and new sets.

The AI can be trained on all current MtG cards to be able to generate cards with comparable power levels intuitively. Also to generate art and lore that fits the power distribution.... Maybe it can create synergies between generated sets and combos or counters to generate more diverse and fair fights.... I'm not sure Wizards of the coast should be excited or terrified with the possibilities

Wizards of the coast owns the patent on collectable cards, so they should be excited, since there's no way to break into the market without them suing you. They can fire all of their artists and save on costs, but still produce good working cards with AI.

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by navbaker »

chii wrote: post #48
dudus wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AI can be trained on all current MtG cards to be able to generate cards with comparable power levels intuitively. Also to generate art and lore that fits the power distribution.... Maybe it can create synergies between generated sets and combos or counters to generate more diverse and fair fights.... I'm not sure Wizards of the coast should be excited or terrified with the possibilities

Wizards of the coast owns the patent on collectable cards, so they should be excited, since there's no way to break into the market without them suing you. They can fire all of their artists and save on costs, but still produce good working cards with AI.

That patent expired several years ago.

Re: We built an AI-powered Magic the Gathering card generator

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Post by mock-possum »

qsort wrote: post #22
clarle wrote: post #11

Infernal Light 2BB Sorcery Search your library for a creature card card with power less than or equal to the number of cards in your hand, put that card onto the battlefield, and then shuffle. The eternal flame has no fuel. Very cool generator and it creates real-ish cards that mostly follow the color pie, but the power level is pretty bonkers for anyone that plays Magic. I think one thing that's a challenge for a LL…

Yeah, it's typical LLM output in that it superficially makes sense but if you actually know what you're talking about it really doesn't. Dark Ritual (it already exists and does something else, Storm players are super triggered right now) Sorcery - {B} You may cast a black or red instant or sorcery card from your hand without paying its mana cost. Excuse me? --- Winged Egg {2} Artifact Creature - Egg 0/2 Whenever you…

Winged Egg is uncanny in exactly the same way that generated art is - the feeling is the same, it’s uncanny valley material.
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