Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

tomshardware.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 72 posts

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#41

Post by beatle »

olalonde wrote: post #27
dfc wrote: post #21

Who is surprised by this "revelation"? The only less surprising thing would be Theo or RMS saying no...

I had to wikipedia Theo (founder of OpenBSD and OpenSSH): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt

ROFL I remember this.

BSD guys make fun of Linux on message boards and Web sites, the gist being that BSD guys are a lot like Linux guys, except they have kissed girls.

Theo de Raadt is a pioneer of the open source software movement and a huge proponent of free software. But he is no fan of the open source Linux operating system.

"It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it is. And the Linux people will just stick with it and add to it rather than stepping back and saying, 'This is garbage and we should fix it.'"

http://www.forbes.com/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616th...

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#42

Post by icebraining »

olalonde wrote: post #7
NathanKP wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's fair to say that it was a dumb decision, because as the article brings out at the time Linux seemed to be more likely to hit the mainstream than Apple. Also it is ignorant to say that Linux is the past, as it is the current dominant OS when it comes to web servers making it very much in the present.

I also believe Linux is the dominant smartphone OS. (IIRC, Android has the largest marketshare of smartphones http://news.cnet.com/8301-33200_3-57323943-290/ios-vs-androi... )

Not to mention embedded devices. Linux is everywhere.

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#43

Post by caf »

NathanKP wrote: post #18
fidotron wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the problem is a lot of techies like OS X now, but not the way it's headed. Lion is enough to make me switch away, and I've been on OS X for a very long time. What's keeping OS X popular now is not its own merits, but that the alternatives are even worse.

I have to agree because I like Snow Leopard better than Lion and have not made the switch yet because of that. However I don't think this is a sign that OS X is endemic. I still have hope that Lion is just an ill planned stop on the OS X progression.

endemic - I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#44

Post by [deleted] »

dhimes wrote: post #33
DHowett wrote: post #12

Not working for Apple is possibly the best decision Linus could have made. One can argue that Linux would have kept moving forward without him, but it's really a shame when great talent leaves the open-source community. The man might be opinionated, and some might not like him, but where would we be without his continued contribution?

Not working for Apple is possibly the best decision Linus could have made ... ... for us

[deleted]

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#45

Post by nknight »

fidotron wrote: post #28
donw wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind if I ask what you don't like? I upgraded a few months ago, and while I had to turn a few annoying bits off, it's overall much better than Snow Leopard.

It's 99% that I hate (and I don't use that lightly) them screwing up Expose (to me this was the OS X killer feature on laptops) and the changes in scrolling. 1% is the unwelcome increase in skeuomorphism. Generally I don't get on with iOS either, so iOSification is a trend I'm not into. I accept that may not be a popular opinion, but there we are.

> screwing up Expose

"Screwing up"? Works much better for me. Have you actually taken some time to play with it?

> the changes in scrolling

You mean the changes you can turn off?

> 1% is the unwelcome increase in skeuomorphism.

To what are you referring, exactly?

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#46

Post by Danieru »

tikhonj wrote: post #29
herval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how's apple any more "evil" than any other big company (google included)?

For one, the other companies have other redeeming features: Microsoft has MSR, Google also does some research as well as a lot of open source stuff and IBM also does good research. Even Facebook contributes more to the community at large and the state of the art, as far as I know. All that Apple does is mostly produce overrated products in secrecy. Apple is also very anti-freedom in the GNU sense, and have horrible p…

To be fair apple's CUPS is pretty critical for printing under linux.

And then there is webkit.

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#47

Post by DHowett »

mathnode wrote: post #39
ootachi wrote: post #2

That was a dumb decision on Linus' part. Apple is the future; Linux is the past.

Urr what OS do you think powers iCloud?

Windows, because Apple uses Azure[1] in the iCloud infrastructure.

[1] http://www.infiniteapple.net/apple-icloud-azure-use-tested-c...

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#48

Post by koeselitz »

beatle wrote: post #41
olalonde wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to wikipedia Theo (founder of OpenBSD and OpenSSH): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt

ROFL I remember this. BSD guys make fun of Linux on message boards and Web sites, the gist being that BSD guys are a lot like Linux guys, except they have kissed girls. Theo de Raadt is a pioneer of the open source software movement and a huge proponent of free software. But he is no fan of the open source Linux operating system. "It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it…

From that article:

Torvalds, via e-mail, says De Raadt is "difficult" and declined to comment further.

Ha!

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#49

Post by el_presidente »

olalonde wrote: post #7
NathanKP wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's fair to say that it was a dumb decision, because as the article brings out at the time Linux seemed to be more likely to hit the mainstream than Apple. Also it is ignorant to say that Linux is the past, as it is the current dominant OS when it comes to web servers making it very much in the present.

I also believe Linux is the dominant smartphone OS. (IIRC, Android has the largest marketshare of smartphones http://news.cnet.com/8301-33200_3-57323943-290/ios-vs-androi... )

It's also the dominant OS for supercomputers and (probably) set-top boxes.

Re: Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Declined to Join Apple

#50

Post by freyrs3 »

Danieru wrote: post #46
tikhonj wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, the other companies have other redeeming features: Microsoft has MSR, Google also does some research as well as a lot of open source stuff and IBM also does good research. Even Facebook contributes more to the community at large and the state of the art, as far as I know. All that Apple does is mostly produce overrated products in secrecy. Apple is also very anti-freedom in the GNU sense, and have horrible p…

To be fair apple's CUPS is pretty critical for printing under linux. And then there is webkit.

To be more fair Webkit started as a fork of some of KDE's libraries.
Post reply on HN