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Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by Turing_Machine »

ibejoeb wrote: post #24
martindbp wrote: post #16

This article perfectly encapsulates the current insanity that's infecting the young generation. To be honest it almost got me too. Global warming can be solved. We're already transitioning to green energy at an amazing pace. Geo engineering is a solution in the meantime (which she dismisses completely without reason "which could either cool the planet or kill us all even faster."). Once we've built out an over capaci…

People are having heaps of kids. The population is increasing. Births continue to outpace deaths.

Not in the West. Most Western countries would be losing population if it weren't for the effects of immigration.

It's not even really true in China these days (in fact, China is looking at demographic collapse).

India's population is still increasing, but only at a rate of about 0.81% per annum, compared to 2% or more through most of the 20th Century. Many expect it to continue to decline and go negative sometime in the next few decades.

The so-called "Population Bomb" has turned out to be a dud almost everywhere.

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by caeril »

etamponi wrote: post #8

I agree 100% on the conclusion: nobody's driving. In particular, the fact that teens are sad is disturbing. If teens (do you remember how happy and fun life was when you were teens?) are sad, imagine how they will become when they are adults. However, I am not really convinced about the list of effects and reasons that the author proposes. From the article, it seems that climate change is the number 1 reason why teen…

> do you remember how happy and fun life was when you were teens?

What an absolutely insane question. Tell me you were popular in high school without telling me you were popular in high school.

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by CalRobert »

somenameforme wrote: post #39
CalRobert wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you should contact the researchers who are cited at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature#Highest_r... because you appear to have independently discovered new global records.

Lots of dumb things have happened because people just assume somebody else would have checked [x], where [x] is something painfully trivial. My favorite example is NASA destroying a Martian orbiter [1]. Thousands of people involved in a NASA project carried out over 5 years, at the cost of about half a billion dollars. The mission was a failure because nobody bothered to ensure that the systems were all using the sam…

Ok, please submit your new record wbgt findings, for the benefit of all

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by ibejoeb »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #41
ibejoeb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are having heaps of kids. The population is increasing. Births continue to outpace deaths.

Not in the West. Most Western countries would be losing population if it weren't for the effects of immigration. It's not even really true in China these days (in fact, China is looking at demographic collapse). India's population is still increasing, but only at a rate of about 0.81% per annum, compared to 2% or more through most of the 20th Century. Many expect it to continue to decline and go negative sometime in…

So?

They're having eight kids per woman in the majority of Africa. To say "unless you hate humanity you probably want there to be one in the future," with the implication that we're running out of humans, is some alternate reality.

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by red-iron-pine »

piva00 wrote: post #23
martindbp wrote: post #16

This article perfectly encapsulates the current insanity that's infecting the young generation. To be honest it almost got me too. Global warming can be solved. We're already transitioning to green energy at an amazing pace. Geo engineering is a solution in the meantime (which she dismisses completely without reason "which could either cool the planet or kill us all even faster."). Once we've built out an over capaci…

> Geo engineering is a solution in the meantime (which she dismisses completely without reason "which could either cool the planet or kill us all even faster.") Geo engineering has exactly the same issue as ecosystem engineering, when we tried that without understanding the systems in play we simply create a gigantic game of whack-a-mole, with rats, cats, rabbits, so on and so forth. We don't understand enough to be…

> Are you willing to bet the future of your children, grandchildren, etc. on unproven technology?

mon ami there is no choice. no amount of solar is going to magically meet our needs -- nuke or bust, basically -- and unless the human population gets cut in half, like, tomorrow, nothing is going to stop the impacts of climate change, that are now on a runaway train.

Re: Nobody's Driving

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Post by Turing_Machine »

ibejoeb wrote: post #44
Turing_Machine wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in the West. Most Western countries would be losing population if it weren't for the effects of immigration. It's not even really true in China these days (in fact, China is looking at demographic collapse). India's population is still increasing, but only at a rate of about 0.81% per annum, compared to 2% or more through most of the 20th Century. Many expect it to continue to decline and go negative sometime in…

So? They're having eight kids per woman in the majority of Africa. To say "unless you hate humanity you probably want there to be one in the future," with the implication that we're running out of humans, is some alternate reality.

> So?

> They're having eight kids per woman in the majority of Africa.

First off, that's not true. The mean fertility in Africa is 4.2, not 8 or anything like it (8 may be the case in some areas, but not the "majority").

Secondly, China, India, and even Europe and the United States had very high fertility rates in the past.

Now they don't.

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