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The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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I'm curious: for how many people is this news? For those more inquiring you should look into the Smith-Mundt Act, which makes it illegal for the US Government to directly propagandize the American people; it was effectively repealed in 2012.

It wasn't repealed, it was amended[0] to allow the US AGM (formerly BBG) to broadcast in the US - in other words, VOA, RFE/RL, RFA, etc. Still pretty easy to look out for.

[0]https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/5736...

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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I wonder if "Contagion" was propaganda. It really made me believe that if a SARS pandemic ever happened, a bunch of incredibly competent scientists and government agents would swoop in and save us all. The "Olympus Has Fallen" series also made me believe that if a mob ever stepped foot on the White House lawn, a bunch of auto turrets would pop up and gun them all down. The last few years has shown that the world is r…

Contagion got things pretty much spot-on. Conspiracy theorists with fake cures, political officials who fight mitigation measures, contact tracing, panic buying, at-home substitutes for school events, fairly rapid vaccine development and the initial scarcity of it. The major difference was the mortality rate; the movie's virus killed something like 25%. One of the odd difficulties with COVID is it's deadly enough (es…

Contagion also compressed time quite a bit because it’s a movie meant to entertain. It couldn’t show the long months of research, development and testing that actual science requires. Still a great movie.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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"The loan was followed in 1948 by a free grant of $2.3 billion from the Marshall Plan, with no repayment. In exchange, French cinemas would replace the numerical quota with a "screen quota". This meant that French cinemas were required to show French-made films for four weeks out of every thirteen and leave the other nine weeks of every quarter open to free competition, namely from American films.[5]" https://en.wiki…

Wow that's insane. If China did that same thing today, we would be up in arms.

Perhaps the Chinese government funded this very article?

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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I simply can't take a source like this seriously. Am I denying that the government has interest in and lobbies for friendly content portrayals? No. Will I get information about it from charged up ideologue who clearly has a strong slant against the US government/military. No. It's effectively random blog tier credibility.

Have to agree, though I thought it was common knowledge (at least in circles such as this) that the U.S.A. government does this? Didn't they admit as much long ago?

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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Ayn Rand Wrote a Guide for Hollywood on How to Make Pro-Capitalist Movies. https://gizmodo.com/ayn-rand-wrote-a-guide-for-hollywood-on-... Link to copy of the book. http://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/AmRad/screenguideamericans.pd...

The last section on "Don't smear political institutions" is ever more relevant today.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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After the end of the vietnam war, the pentagon embarked on a deliberate program of propaganda as the attitude towards the military was at an all time low. This has only only involved hollywood (Apocalypse Now was filmed in the Philippines with Philippine military gear because the Pentagon wanted script control) but also professional sports, who get billions a year from the pentagon these days.

I understand that (and why) the military's reputation was at a nadir, but they have gone too far in the opposite direction. Even in WWII when people depended on the military for what they thought was an existential battle, the general attitude was one of SNAFU, i.e. "sure, it's incompetent and fucked up but it's the best we've got so let's try to make it work". A healthier attitude.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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I wonder if "Contagion" was propaganda. It really made me believe that if a SARS pandemic ever happened, a bunch of incredibly competent scientists and government agents would swoop in and save us all. The "Olympus Has Fallen" series also made me believe that if a mob ever stepped foot on the White House lawn, a bunch of auto turrets would pop up and gun them all down. The last few years has shown that the world is r…

Cost and risk are a major factor in how things are dealt with. Ebola mobilizes different responses than most diseases and so kills fewer people. Armed gunmen regularly attack the pentagon so it’s well defend against lone gunmen.

The vast majority of government buildings aren’t well protected because they don’t need to be.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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In the early 90's my moms friend group was passing around this VHS where a guy who claimed to be ex military nervously explained that a lot of hollywood production was the government easing secrets it knew and legally had to disclose to the public so it would put them into hollywood movies. Things like spy stuff or aliens. I have no idea how I'd ever find the source or original of that. Would be interesting to see if…

In those same groups that made those VHS tapes, there's a theory on the name Hollywood itself. The wand that Merlin used to cast spells was made from holly. This was a core part of their evidence that the movie industry is meant to keep the populace under the spell of their illusions, or some such logic

Sadly, I have way too much familiarity with these VHS tapes and 'zines and radio programs. Once the internet took off, it was like gasoline on a fire for the spreading of this stuff.

Re: The Pentagon and CIA have shaped thousands of movies into effective propaganda

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One of the co-producers of Theaters of War, Tom Secker, has a podcast called ClandesTime where he explores FOIA'd documents from the various entertainment liasion offices run by the DoD, FBI etc. Well worth a follow and listen if this is your kind of thing:

https://www.spyculture.com/podcasts/

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