Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case • Hacker News Board

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:31 PM UTC

konschubert wrote: post #2

I understand that what these companies are doing is illegal, and thus the court ruled correctly. But I cannot help but wonder if we, the public, are really focusing on the right thing here? Is "companies are using your reading history to target ads" really the same level of dangerous as "your government wants to read all your messages"? Why is the EU regulating privacy topics to the point were we no longer have acces…

> Is "companies are using your reading history to target ads" really the same level of dangerous as "your government wants to read all your messages"?

This is politically incompetent. A politically competent person uses The System to fight The System.

You lobby your government to heavily fine companies for spying. You lobby companies for E2E encryption to stop government spying.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by _chu1 » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:37 PM UTC

coldpie wrote: post #40

rvz wrote: post #4

Good. Now do TikTok since we all know that is just as bad as Meta for their privacy violations as well.

Is it? Does Tiktok track everything you do across the entire Internet, like Facebook and Google do? They might, I don't know, but I haven't seen "tiktok.com" in my NoScript list on 90% of websites like I have FB and Google.

Just your phone. Open TikTok on iOS and it will for sure try to access your location, clipboard or whatever weird crap people will just click "OK" or "Allow" on.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by hef19898 » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:37 PM UTC

Mordisquitos wrote: post #18

> Meta told a two-day court hearing in August it had already committed to ask for consent from users and that Datatilsynet used an "expedited process" that was unnecessary and did not give the company enough time to answer. So, in other words, Meta is complaining that Datatilsynet moved fast and broke things. Interesting.

They want move fast, breaking other people's things. Not tje other way round. How else could all those poor tech giantsband start-ups survive?

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by coldpie » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

_chu1 wrote: post #42

coldpie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Does Tiktok track everything you do across the entire Internet, like Facebook and Google do? They might, I don't know, but I haven't seen "tiktok.com" in my NoScript list on 90% of websites like I have FB and Google.

Just your phone. Open TikTok on iOS and it will for sure try to access your location, clipboard or whatever weird crap people will just click "OK" or "Allow" on.

That doesn't seem anywhere near equivalent to Google & Facebook's privacy issues. They stalk literally everyone over the entire Internet. I don't have Tiktok on my phone (or at all) so I'm pretty sure they're not stalking me. So I disagree with the OP, Tiktok's privacy violations are not as bad as Facebook's.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by Hamuko » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:41 PM UTC

_chu1 wrote: post #42

coldpie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Does Tiktok track everything you do across the entire Internet, like Facebook and Google do? They might, I don't know, but I haven't seen "tiktok.com" in my NoScript list on 90% of websites like I have FB and Google.

Just your phone. Open TikTok on iOS and it will for sure try to access your location, clipboard or whatever weird crap people will just click "OK" or "Allow" on.

What if I don't have TikTok installed and never have?

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by doix » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:42 PM UTC

_chu1 wrote: post #42

coldpie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Does Tiktok track everything you do across the entire Internet, like Facebook and Google do? They might, I don't know, but I haven't seen "tiktok.com" in my NoScript list on 90% of websites like I have FB and Google.

Just your phone. Open TikTok on iOS and it will for sure try to access your location, clipboard or whatever weird crap people will just click "OK" or "Allow" on.

I guess the difference is, if you don't install or use TikTok they don't track you. Whereas with FB, rven if you don't have a FB account, they still track you across the Internet.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by Nextgrid » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:44 PM UTC

_chu1 wrote: post #42

coldpie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Does Tiktok track everything you do across the entire Internet, like Facebook and Google do? They might, I don't know, but I haven't seen "tiktok.com" in my NoScript list on 90% of websites like I have FB and Google.

Just your phone. Open TikTok on iOS and it will for sure try to access your location, clipboard or whatever weird crap people will just click "OK" or "Allow" on.

It's one thing if you actively use the service. One could even argue that this might be the payment for using the service (I don't agree with that argument, but it has some merit at least).

The problem with Facebook and Google is that they've got their spyware littered across most websites and third-party apps, so you get stalked even if you do not use FB/Google nor ever read/agreed to their ToS/privacy policy.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by kbf » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:45 PM UTC

konschubert wrote: post #2

I understand that what these companies are doing is illegal, and thus the court ruled correctly. But I cannot help but wonder if we, the public, are really focusing on the right thing here? Is "companies are using your reading history to target ads" really the same level of dangerous as "your government wants to read all your messages"? Why is the EU regulating privacy topics to the point were we no longer have acces…

This is about Norway, not the EU.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by notyourwork » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:47 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #45

_chu1 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just your phone. Open TikTok on iOS and it will for sure try to access your location, clipboard or whatever weird crap people will just click "OK" or "Allow" on.

What if I don't have TikTok installed and never have?

You’re a contact in someone else’s profile who has you in their contact list.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by Nextgrid » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 1:48 PM UTC

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #19

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But its not just used for ad targeting for things you might actually want to buy. It's used for political campaigns, and social manipulation. Governments can also compel the private company to reveal information they have about people.

> Governments can also compel the private company to reveal information they have about people. This is the big deal. Private companies collect data at volumes, and at levels of detail, that governments would never be allowed to do. It's easier and cheaper to let the private folks do it, then buy it from them. They are already doing this.

If a government wanted to build such a spyware operation, they'd have to fund it themselves and get budgets approved. But here you have a sustainable spyware operation already running they don't need to justify any budget for.