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California and Florida now lead the country in climate change risks

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Re: California and Florida now lead the country in climate change risks

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I was born in Florida, and the climate is basically the same as it has been since the 90s. When I was young I would explore all the abandoned orange groves in central Florida, that suffered from repeated freezes in the 70s and 80s, where prior to those decades, citrus was reliably grown (orange trees are extremely vulnerable to freezes). If anything the current climate is a return to 19th/20th century norms for Flori…

>I suppose I'll start worrying about the climate when they're able to grow oranges in Georgia. They have been for awhile[0] [0]: https://extension.uga.edu/publications/detail.html?number=B8...

That's a link to citrus plant zones and citrus breeds for Georgia, in general, not oranges in particular. And it carefully notes zone A along the southeastern corner of the state is just about the only zone that citrus stands a chance. And they all carefully mention that you have to be very careful about providing freeze protection even with those specific breeds. There is no orange production at scale in Georgia.

It is interesting to note these statements from the above publication:

"History indicates that citrus plants have been grown for many years in gardens near the Gulf of Mexico and even as far north as Charleston, South Carolina. Small satsuma plantings were developed in the Gulf states as early as the 1890s but were destroyed by the freezes of 1894-95 and 1899. Plantings resumed until the freeze of 1916-17 struck, killing thousands of acres. By the early 1940s the hardy satsuma had again made a comeback, with some 12,000 acres growing in the Gulf states of Louisiana, Alabama and northern Florida. But freezes in the two decades following World War II mostly eliminated these plantings. Currently the main commercial areas are on the Gulf Coast of Louisiana and Florida."

Which seems to indicate that the climate was warmer than present in certain portions of the last few centuries. Charleston regularly experiences overnight freezes throughout Dec, Jan, and Feb (crucial months for orange production) in the modern era.

Re: California and Florida now lead the country in climate change risks

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Fossil fuels will be consumed as long as there is someone who benefits from its consumption. The collective "we" have very little control over that.

Thats kinda glib - One, the people who benefit from fossil fuel consumption are too diffuse to easily tamp down on. Two, we cannot replace fossil fuels in certain applications. Three, even all the green technology will need lubrication from something, unless we plan on moving back to whale oil (not exactly a renewable resource), we're stuck with oil based lubrication. Silicone use can be expanded, but it's not a 1:1…

I'm just stating an economic reality. Unless global societies are willing to pay the owners of oil reserves to keep that oil in the ground, then that oil will be pumped out of the ground. So any transition away from oil will have to include that very high price to pay them off for a very long time.

Re: California and Florida now lead the country in climate change risks

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California and Florida are the 1st and 3rd most populous states in the country. We hear about the effects of climate change disproportionately in these states simply because there are a lot more people affected (by sheer number) than elsewhere. Otherwise the problems are the same as everywhere else.

I was born in Florida, and the climate is basically the same as it has been since the 90s. When I was young I would explore all the abandoned orange groves in central Florida, that suffered from repeated freezes in the 70s and 80s, where prior to those decades, citrus was reliably grown (orange trees are extremely vulnerable to freezes). If anything the current climate is a return to 19th/20th century norms for Flori…

https://www.wabe.org/georgias-warming-climate-leads-farmers-...

Re: California and Florida now lead the country in climate change risks

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats kinda glib - One, the people who benefit from fossil fuel consumption are too diffuse to easily tamp down on. Two, we cannot replace fossil fuels in certain applications. Three, even all the green technology will need lubrication from something, unless we plan on moving back to whale oil (not exactly a renewable resource), we're stuck with oil based lubrication. Silicone use can be expanded, but it's not a 1:1…

I'm just stating an economic reality. Unless global societies are willing to pay the owners of oil reserves to keep that oil in the ground, then that oil will be pumped out of the ground. So any transition away from oil will have to include that very high price to pay them off for a very long time.

Oil could potentially get priced out for most uses in the next 10-15 years.
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