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Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

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My wife isn't going to be happy about this... I have an ErgoDox EZ at home, and a Moonlander for work. I absolutely love these keyboards. They have played a significant role in reducing pain I experience from arthritis.

Your wife micromanages your budget?

Going over expenses together with your partner is important. If you don't have a partner, then you can spend money on whatever you want; you're only going to impact yourself.

Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

#42
I'm a bit disappointed by the new offering and the retirement of the Planck EZ.

I fully understand the decisions that were made, and while ZSA's keyboards are phenomenal, there is no way I'd buy one at a 404€ price point (including French VAT, excluding customs costs which would bump it to around 450€). The Planck EZ was great because its price point made it justifiable, mine coming around at ~320€ including VAT and customs, which is the max amount of money I'd be willing to spend.

I don't think we'll ever see something like the Planck EZ again (as in a very compact and more affordable option) since the Voyager is the new "laptop solution", and that honestly sucks.

(Side note for anyone pedant enough to care: these customs costs are both actual customs import taxes and the fee taken by the courier for customs processes)

Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

#43
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I have quite a few of these sorts of keyboards, including the Ergodox EZ. I think for generalist usage they can be adapted to pretty easily, but as a developer, the lack of dedicated keys for [, ] and ' is an insurmountable obstacle for me. Those keys are in my opinion perfectly placed on regular keyboards and no amount of layering, tap dancing or anything else will ever come close. Please somebody just make a split…

I think this is honestly just a thing to get used to. I use the semi-colon/quote keys for [] and p/backslash for {}. It means I need to hit a modifier key to hit them, but you always had to hit a modifier key (aka shift) to hit curly brace anyway, so this really isn't a big deal.

With QMK, "layers" aren't this whole giant huge deal. It's like hitting the shift key, except just a different physical key, probably by your thumb.

Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

#44
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

and lack of F1-F12 is a show stopper for me, I use them in my IDE.

These small keyboards trade-off the benefit of "bring all the keys within easy reach of the hands" at the cost of a more complicated layout. The intent is "be able to press F1-F12 without having to move hands so far from home row"; it's not "I want a smaller keyboard and don't need F1-F12".

I've been using these types of keyboards for a couple years now, and I find that although the enthusiast community has sort of gravitated towards For example, let's say you need to do Shift-Option-F12. First, you need to hold a modifier to bring your F key layer, possibly a separate or chorded modifier to get you to the F-keys above 10 since you only have have 10 numeric digits. Then, that needs to be compatible with both your shift modifier AND your option modifier, which with only 2 thumb keys per side it probably won't be. So, then you think, oh no worries, I'll just set up a single shortcut that does what I need, but then you end up with a profusion of shortcuts that you need to remember.

I've found that in practice, I can't really go much below 58 keys and 3 layers without requiring tap-and-hold or losing some of my less-frequently used chars (` comes to mind), so I can sympathize with the ancestor posts.

Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

#45

What's with the gradient/rainbow led trend? Is it just me that don't have the necessary cultural references to find it appealing? To me I immediately associate it with an unprofessional, cheap look.

I think it's just a matter of preference (and maybe a slight generational gap?). I love the rainbow pattern on one of their other keyboards (the retired Planck EZ). IMO it looks very nice on top of a white case which "reflects" the LEDs' color.

Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

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I have quite a few of these sorts of keyboards, including the Ergodox EZ. I think for generalist usage they can be adapted to pretty easily, but as a developer, the lack of dedicated keys for [, ] and ' is an insurmountable obstacle for me. Those keys are in my opinion perfectly placed on regular keyboards and no amount of layering, tap dancing or anything else will ever come close. Please somebody just make a split…

and lack of F1-F12 is a show stopper for me, I use them in my IDE.

Modifier key plus the number row gets you that trivially, and it's no different from having to hit Fn + F-key on a laptop. But even better is that if there are things you use regularly, you can map them up to a more convenient place.

Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

#47
post #23
post #19

I have quite a few of these sorts of keyboards, including the Ergodox EZ. I think for generalist usage they can be adapted to pretty easily, but as a developer, the lack of dedicated keys for [, ] and ' is an insurmountable obstacle for me. Those keys are in my opinion perfectly placed on regular keyboards and no amount of layering, tap dancing or anything else will ever come close. Please somebody just make a split…

and lack of F1-F12 is a show stopper for me, I use them in my IDE.

I thought this was going to be a barrier for me as well, but after using a Moonlander (one of ZSA's other keyboards) for over a year now, it's not as bad. I have a layer that has F1-10 in place of 1-0, then F11 and F12 are on overflow keys.

I've found that the hotkeys I most frequently use I moved in to more convenient hotkeys/macros (for example code folding/unfolding to three common levels, debugger stepping), while others just stayed where they were.

I would say that you'd probably want to try a larger keyboard than the Voyager though if that's a concern though. I'm reticent to try such a smaller keyboard, and I found the ~70 keys of the Moonlander to be more inline with what I like.

Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

#48

Please also consider Ferris Sweep: https://github.com/davidphilipbarr/Sweep

I really want to, but it needs to be very cheap to go through the effort of making it yourself.

A very easy 'snap together' like keyboard bought in different components should at least knock the price down to ~$100

Re: ZSA Voyager: Low profile split keyboard

#49

If anyone from ZSA is here, please make wireless keyboards. I’m rocking an Ergodox for the past few years. It’s worth every penny, but I cannot carry it around with all the cables.

A competing option that does include wireless is the Dygma Defy [0], which does have more keys but might be a good option for you if you're okay with not being ultra-minimalist.

[0]: https://dygma.com/products/dygma-defy

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