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The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Important topic, absolute garbage article. It's more fiction than facts and 1. on hn ofc because the headline sounded nice. I get the intention of exaggerated fiction and landing on what is happening now or before but that's propaganda 101...FUD at its best. Disgusting.

Obviously everything that's in the future is not a fact - or "wildly speculative and hypothetical" as the article itself puts it. See it as a call to action to ensure that it remains fiction.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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> The Stallman movement failed Citation needed

How many applications, phones, computers do people use that are Stallman compliant?

The Linux Kernel.

But answering the “it failed”. Not really. It exists and is a choice on most license dropdowns and is a famous one.

People should really default to GPL rather than more permissive licenses and hot take… should also default to closed source. And make open source or non GPL a conscious choice.

The reason is GPL gives you more ability to commercialise since it gives you the copyright holder more of an edge over let’s say Amazon Inc who has decided to accept your license to bundle it with a cloud service and extend it. They are obliged to release their source code to their customers.

That Ballmer called it a cancer is a great accolade.

Close source as a default because it is a one way door publishing the code on the open web. So you are protecting your own interests. You owe the “open source community” nothing and should exploit your IP as much as anyone else, and use GPL to allow people to “fix the printer” if they need to.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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This rather heavily begs the question what do we mean by "freedom"? We don't mean anonymity. Acting in secret is not freedom - acting openly and not being persecuted or prosecuted is freedom. The solution is what it is in real offline life. A regulated legal framework that allows most and limits little, a open dynamic culture that accepts diversity and constant change. If we are worried that digital freedom will be t…

It’s an important question because “digital freedom” tends to be code for “I want the Internet like how it was when I was younger”, and then throw in some stuff about jailbreaking iPhones or whatever for good measure.

I want to not have to worry about a government 30 years from now being able to quickly and quietly make unmonitored person-to-person communication illegal. There should be a whole bunch of difficult and complicated steps involved if they don't want to just shut down half their IT.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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post #21

We need a new philosophical movement for computer technology. The Stallman movement failed because it was not practical for business applications. At the end of the day, coders & hardware manufacturers need to eat just like accountants, plumbers and doctors. Technology can't rely 100% on altruism. What we need is something close to the Ethical standards of the Stallman movement, but also compatable with business owne…

I am sorry, but you basically say that we need more altruistic capitalists. Won't happen.

> These philosophical ethical standards should also be ingrained into VC culture & corporate culture.

Won't happen. Money always wins and exploiting people on the side of selling (or giving for free) them some stuff is always going to bring in more cash than respecting their privacy.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Yeah, chrome and google in general are the first in line to cause problems. There are many browsers, many apps, many everything... you can switch whenever... but the DRM and attestation pushes with browsers (and mobile devices) means, that sure, you can use a different browser, but your bank, your streaming service, your newssite might not work unless you're using chrome with drm and hardware attestation. This is alr…

Then switch from these services while they are still only a few. Revenue is a language they understand. I never understood why anyone would even want a banking app though; there is nothing int can do that a website can't. The browser war can at least still be won or settled; mainstream apps are a lost cause outside the legal arena. Edit: and by switching i don't mean going to some tinfoil grayweb nonsense. Go to thei…

I did, i use firefox for example, but with mobile phones, what's the alternative? Apple and its walled garden? And when filing my taxes only works via chrome, how do i switch countries easily? Move because of a browser limitation and leave everything behind?

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Then switch from these services while they are still only a few. Revenue is a language they understand. I never understood why anyone would even want a banking app though; there is nothing int can do that a website can't. The browser war can at least still be won or settled; mainstream apps are a lost cause outside the legal arena. Edit: and by switching i don't mean going to some tinfoil grayweb nonsense. Go to thei…

The banking system does not care. The banks don't need your money.

That same logic says you should not vote either. If even some 10-20% of IT professionals (with salaries to match) up and leave for a less shit bank, trust me, they will care.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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post #21

We need a new philosophical movement for computer technology. The Stallman movement failed because it was not practical for business applications. At the end of the day, coders & hardware manufacturers need to eat just like accountants, plumbers and doctors. Technology can't rely 100% on altruism. What we need is something close to the Ethical standards of the Stallman movement, but also compatable with business owne…

> The Stallman movement failed

The stuff you read on hn...

Seriously, you think it failed? I think it succeeded wildly beyond anything anybody imagined at the time, to the point that very large entities threw everything and the kitchensink at it to try to make it fail. Which exposed them for the criminals they were.

We don't need anything that is more compatible with 'business owners' than what we've got. What we need is education, so that people stop telling each other that the free software movement failed, but instead point out that without that free software movement the operating system, the browser and the applications on the computer that I'm writing this on would not exist.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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I’m more concerned with the EUs assault on private communication than I am with this WEI stuff.

Private comms will stay private as long as you can install an illegal decentralized chat app that won't spy on you. Once you can't do that without losing bank account access on the device, most people simply won't install it and stick to monitored comms.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, chrome and google in general are the first in line to cause problems. There are many browsers, many apps, many everything... you can switch whenever... but the DRM and attestation pushes with browsers (and mobile devices) means, that sure, you can use a different browser, but your bank, your streaming service, your newssite might not work unless you're using chrome with drm and hardware attestation. This is alr…

Then switch from these services while they are still only a few. Revenue is a language they understand. I never understood why anyone would even want a banking app though; there is nothing int can do that a website can't. The browser war can at least still be won or settled; mainstream apps are a lost cause outside the legal arena. Edit: and by switching i don't mean going to some tinfoil grayweb nonsense. Go to thei…

I think the problem with the revenue rhetoric is that these services are consumed by the general consumer and the people that read this discussion generally are only a neglibile size of that market segment. So, even if all HN readers affected and all wired reader, etc changed service due to this discussionit would still be a rounding error on that company's report sheet in the end.
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