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Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by walterbell »

foogazi wrote: post #34
walterbell wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the fictional riff at the beginning: > “El Coyote” Head of the New Jaurez Joint Cartel, was the man who ordered the attack on the Cactus Lounge and similar massacres on US soil, he would be killed in a US airstrike in 2032. But his Lieutenant and successor, Cartel Boss, Mexican Nationalist Front commander, and Future Mexican President, Jaun Herrera would reveal in his 2054 memoirs Smuggling to Freedom: From Narco…

> Hidden bases that would have to be retaken, This is such a dumb take It's the Chinese government that actually has secret police stations all over the US right NOW

https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-chemicals-mexican-cartel-ha...

> Chemicals manufactured in China and bought by Mexico's narco cartels in transactions facilitated by a global network of Chinese criminal groups are fueling the fentanyl crisis, which has killed hundreds of thousands of people in the United States, the world's biggest market for illegal drugs.

Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by voisin »

anonym29 wrote: post #21
jdkee wrote: post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Let's be honest, it was never a war on drugs, it was a war on drug addicts - a group that already had enough problems on their plate before they had the full force of a police state hunting them down.

> war on drug addicts

No, ir was a war on political opponents, not necessarily addicts at all. The War on Marijuana and Acid was to go after hippies, and the War on Crack was to go after inner city blacks. The idea being all of these groups would have voted liberal and the Republican base supported punishing these groups. This was all assumed for decades but made explicit as the strategy by one of Nixon’s top lieutenants in recent years.

Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by xkqd »

foogazi wrote: post #34
walterbell wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the fictional riff at the beginning: > “El Coyote” Head of the New Jaurez Joint Cartel, was the man who ordered the attack on the Cactus Lounge and similar massacres on US soil, he would be killed in a US airstrike in 2032. But his Lieutenant and successor, Cartel Boss, Mexican Nationalist Front commander, and Future Mexican President, Jaun Herrera would reveal in his 2054 memoirs Smuggling to Freedom: From Narco…

> Hidden bases that would have to be retaken, This is such a dumb take It's the Chinese government that actually has secret police stations all over the US right NOW

Why not both the confirmed Chinese policing bases, and hypothetical but strategically advantageous cartel bases in the US?

Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by walterbell »

tptacek wrote: post #39
walterbell wrote: post #17

https://anarchonomicon.substack.com/p/reaper-drones-over-hou... > The South and Central American drug war(s) is one of the most violent wars in modern history .. Over a million people have died in the conflict since 1970, and that’s not counting the over 50,000 Americans who die every year from opioid-related deaths, or the 20+ thousand American homicides every year, the majority of them in some way related to gangs…

This, again, is a blog that ran within the last few weeks a story suggesting that the Jews were America's "Cossacks", an ethnic group granted special favors and privileges. Maybe we can cool it with the analysis from this person on HN threads.

Please feel free to start a thread on that topic. This thread is about Mexican cartels.

Would appreciate pointers to scenario analysis of potential US-cartel conflicts.

Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by fallingknife »

walterbell wrote: post #17

https://anarchonomicon.substack.com/p/reaper-drones-over-hou... > The South and Central American drug war(s) is one of the most violent wars in modern history .. Over a million people have died in the conflict since 1970, and that’s not counting the over 50,000 Americans who die every year from opioid-related deaths, or the 20+ thousand American homicides every year, the majority of them in some way related to gangs…

The cartels are not motivated guerilla armies. They are made up of 100% mercenaries. I doubt that there would be many encounters between them and US SOF because once that possibility is on the table, most of them will decide it's not worth the paycheck.

Also, guerilla forced that have fought the US have all been dependent on state support. There will be no such support for the cartels as they have no state allies.

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Post by computerphage »

PostOnce wrote: post #36
jdkee wrote: post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Why does the war on drugs cause Mexico to fall apart and not Canada? I don't think Mexico's problems would be solved if drugs disappeared tomorrow. For example, the cartels are robbing fuel [depots, refineries, regular gas stations, etc]. They'll keep doing that, it's profitable. So, how can Mexico solve its own problems? I have no idea.

Part of the answer is climate and geography. It's just meaningfully different south of the US than north of the US for drug production. And this is not limited to just mexico, a lot of non-mexican-produced drugs also traffic through mexico.

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Post by standardUser »

vorpalhex wrote: post #37
jdkee wrote: post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Do you see a world where Amazon sells fent and.. undercuts the cartel or something? How does ending our prohibition on drugs resolve the a nearly total collapse of law and order in a neighbor?

Reducing a major funding source would obviously weaken the cartels dramatically.

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Post by walterbell »

fallingknife wrote: post #45
walterbell wrote: post #17

https://anarchonomicon.substack.com/p/reaper-drones-over-hou... > The South and Central American drug war(s) is one of the most violent wars in modern history .. Over a million people have died in the conflict since 1970, and that’s not counting the over 50,000 Americans who die every year from opioid-related deaths, or the 20+ thousand American homicides every year, the majority of them in some way related to gangs…

The cartels are not motivated guerilla armies. They are made up of 100% mercenaries. I doubt that there would be many encounters between them and US SOF because once that possibility is on the table, most of them will decide it's not worth the paycheck. Also, guerilla forced that have fought the US have all been dependent on state support. There will be no such support for the cartels as they have no state allies.

> have all been dependent on state support ... they have no state allies

Do Mexico and China count?

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Post by lazide »

voisin wrote: post #42
anonym29 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, it was never a war on drugs, it was a war on drug addicts - a group that already had enough problems on their plate before they had the full force of a police state hunting them down.

> war on drug addicts No, ir was a war on political opponents, not necessarily addicts at all. The War on Marijuana and Acid was to go after hippies, and the War on Crack was to go after inner city blacks. The idea being all of these groups would have voted liberal and the Republican base supported punishing these groups. This was all assumed for decades but made explicit as the strategy by one of Nixon’s top lieuten…

There was at least a token attempt to crack down on Cocaine though, and that’s about as WASP a drug as is humanly possible.

Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by lazide »

PostOnce wrote: post #36
jdkee wrote: post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Why does the war on drugs cause Mexico to fall apart and not Canada? I don't think Mexico's problems would be solved if drugs disappeared tomorrow. For example, the cartels are robbing fuel [depots, refineries, regular gas stations, etc]. They'll keep doing that, it's profitable. So, how can Mexico solve its own problems? I have no idea.

Pretty sure Canada isn’t between South America and the US.
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