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Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by michaelmrose »

gitgud wrote: post #35
michaelmrose wrote: post #26

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Any product that allows you to consume lots of resources including API calls, interact with other users, or share anything basically needs to be authenticated to avoid misuse. This covers virtually everything. Sign in with google/apple can be virtually painless and only lets them know your email address, name, and profile pic if oauth is configured reasonably and its easy to tell on your side if its not because it as…

It’s not the only way to prevent misuse for example: captcha’s, rate-limiting etc… I bet they implemented the login anticipating misuse… and like all other startups, there’s only a tiny chance the product would be misused, but a large chance that many people won’t use it due to the login wall.

Effective captchas a much worse than logon with google or send a login link to email. Rate limiting might prevent the system falling over or spending all your money but it does near nothing for vandalism.

Rate limiting is like handing your football players packs of condoms instead of cups. It might be necessary but it sure as hell isn't sufficient.

I would suggest that if your app requires interaction with others you provide them with a test experience where they can read live data but not effect others. Gate functionality that might be misused with a request for an oauth2 login or email which you can send a login link to. Near zero commitment don't have to share anything beyond your email and name don't even have to make up yet another password. A few clicks and you are done.

You can provide almost as good an experience as you want without people getting their lols or their dollars off your other users.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

oleg009 wrote: post #39
Mystery-Machine wrote: post #36

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Syncing and publishing what? What's so difficult about `git push` which pushes to GitHub and automatically deploys to Vercel? This doesn't look cool, but those two features are not going to be the ones I'll seek after.

Syncing the site data from builder to local fs and then building everything and configuring the app for publishing to vercel. Just pushing to github only helps you if you only have static html/css if you wanted to publish a site as gh-page ... I guess you need to clarify your use case

GitHub actions solves the other half, no?

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

stevenicr wrote: post #40
saranggambhir wrote: post #34

Tried Webstudio, I still prefer using Divhunt over any other builder/CMS https://divhunt.com

Took a look.. got interested after first scroll. Clicked pricing. It's all per month - no way to own it / buy - it's a lock-in-lease, where "your monthly bill only increases when you're making more money!" Pass.

Looks like Microsoft Frontpage.

I don't understand why we keep recreating that but with worse and worse pricing models and more lock in.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

oleg009 wrote: post #27
happytiger wrote: post #20

I don’t understand why downloading code is such a difficult feature for a website builder — I get the competitive aspect. BUT! It would bring so many users to your system and really would be great marketing — why not compete by giving people what they want and just practice love in not lock in? Especially when you’re already there with the OSS license? Seems a real missed opportunity.

We are launching a CLI soon that will allow syncing data and self-publishing, starting with Vercel as first destination.

You know that's not what users actually want though, right?

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by apatheticonion »

BoorishBears wrote: post #9
dgellow wrote: post #8

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What is Radix?

https://www.radix-ui.com/ The main offering is their primitives ( https://www.radix-ui.com/primitives ): essentially skeletons of common components that plain HTML makes difficult to style. They take care of cross-browser compatibility and accessibility and you apply your CSS to their wrapper element. (generally the term for this is headless UI components) Most recently they released a styled version of those primiti…

I feel like there aren't a lot of use cases for custom elements (W3C web components), but a generalised component library like this is probably one of those use cases.

Particularly given the ability to style shadow pseudo-elements like drop downs in a non-hacky, browser supported way.

Surprised React was chosen here.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by ceearrbee »

oleg009 wrote: post #28
ceearrbee wrote: post #25

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How is that a valid reason? Standard compliance, especially in something like a website builder should be a top priority. If the builder doesn't work in major browsers, why there be any confidence that the sites it produces will?

when you say confidence, is it because the person who builds, can't test in other browsers inside builder? this is something we are going to solve soon by having ability to open up the build url and keeping it in sync with the changes.

So, you are saying that there is no plan for it to work outside of Chrom(ium) browsers? It doesn't solve the problem of forcing someone to use a specific browser to use the platform.

It does not inspire confidence in an end product will work everywhere and be of high quality when the product to create it is buggy and limited.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by pritambaral »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #31
Gnarl wrote: post #5

Not signing in "with google" or "with github" or any other unrelated 3rd party. If there's no "with email" then its goodbye. Probably a fine product though...

I prefer signing in with third party SSO because it's a lower chance of yet another website mishandling my password, though I use a password manager

Good for you. Keep your SSO login. Nobody's asking for it to be removed. But, your SSO login isn't going to be affected if email login is added, would it?

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by happytiger »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #38
doctor_eval wrote: post #23

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> practice love in not lock in I haven’t heard this phrase before, it’s such a great way to describe how I like to do things, which I would have written as “compete on quality rather than treachery”

Lots of companies will behave this way... when times are good. They can be fairweather friends at best. Eventually it's time to batten down the hatches, and that's when licenses change, interop gets removed, etc. like we've seen again and again.

If that were true there wouldn't be companies in Open Source.
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