Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo • Hacker News Board

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by freehunter » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 2:36 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #40

freehunter wrote: post #34

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It's marketing speak, and no one of importance to Microsoft is going to call them on it. I would imagine their line of thinking would be Ubuntu doesn't ship on tablets or phones. OSX doesn't ship on tablets or phones. What they run are stripped down and re-imagined versions of the parent OS. Approval of the magnitude of this claim is up to the reader.

Still, Linux runs on just about everything between a 68000 and an IBM mainframe. As does NetBSD. I find the propensity to lie disturbing.

This could get into deep discussions about what is an OS (versus a kernel), what constitutes the "same" OS (versus a modified version of the OS) and even what can be put in the same class as Windows.

I think what Microsoft is getting at is, OSX and Ubuntu don't run the same code on their mobile devices. Windows 8 will. It's marketing, and NetBSD doesn't even cross their mind.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 3:30 PM UTC

twargoth wrote: post #14

freehunter wrote: post #6

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Android never freezes or crashes. Come to think of it, neither does iOS or OSX, or Linux. Oh wait, almost all software crashes.

No iOS product would crap itself like that during a keynote demo. Sure, I've had them panic and reboot on me in real world use, but Apple takes the time to make sure the demo runs smoothly. When you can't or don't make your demo run smoothly during a high visibility presentation, it makes you look careless, either in the development of your product or of your demo. In either case, it reeks of incompetence. This might…

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Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by twargoth » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 3:33 PM UTC

dangrossman wrote: post #21

twargoth wrote: post #14

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No iOS product would crap itself like that during a keynote demo. Sure, I've had them panic and reboot on me in real world use, but Apple takes the time to make sure the demo runs smoothly. When you can't or don't make your demo run smoothly during a high visibility presentation, it makes you look careless, either in the development of your product or of your demo. In either case, it reeks of incompetence. This might…

No iOS product comes close to the complexity of a Microsoft Dynamics product either, nor are developers at Apple expected to develop and demo such complex products on pre-beta operating systems created by a different group.

You're right about apple developers not being expected to demo apps on pre-beta software. Because doing that makes your software look shitty.

Don't do that. Or script out the demo really carefully.

PR exists to make the products look good.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Post by rbanffy » Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 3:53 PM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #41

rbanffy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, Linux runs on just about everything between a 68000 and an IBM mainframe. As does NetBSD. I find the propensity to lie disturbing.

This could get into deep discussions about what is an OS (versus a kernel), what constitutes the "same" OS (versus a modified version of the OS) and even what can be put in the same class as Windows. I think what Microsoft is getting at is, OSX and Ubuntu don't run the same code on their mobile devices. Windows 8 will. It's marketing, and NetBSD doesn't even cross their mind.

It all depends on where is the line defining what's an OS. A Linux machine doesn't need X to be a Linux machine - Unix machines have been serving terminals for decades. So much, in fact, I joke that, in order to be a serious computer, one has to have no monitor, keyboard and mouse ports - if you really need a physical console, a serial port will do. So, I've seen Linux running programs on a very broad selection of hardware, from ARM to zSeries (68020+ has always been more of a curiosity, albeit there were serious Unix machines using them).

Really, it's marketing. Not truth.