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Re: Japan starts release of Fukushima’s treated radioactive water

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Post by cornholio »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #30
ipaddr wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10,000 is very high and this level will be lowered hopefully in time. In Ontario Canada: 20 Bq/L limit proposed by the Ontario Drinking Water Advisory Council (ODWAC) 190 is 10 times that limit. This isn't only about drinking water it's about eating seafood that has absorbed these chemicals (or eaten many fish who have absorbed them). I could understand the caution around seafood in that area for a period of time.

I regret to tell you the ODWAC is made up of unqualified morons preying on your fears then. The ocean's average radioactivity is 12Bq/L, and there's a _lot_ of water. A single banana is 20Bq already. Dump a few million litres of 10000Bq/L water in the ocean over a few years, and the average radioactivity goes to... Still 12Bq/L

It depends on the exact elements that are causing that emission level. Heavy metals such as those present in nuclear waste tend to bio-accumulate in marine organisms, that then find their way into the food chain.

This is unlike, say, naturally radioactive carbon or potassium isotopes, that have a relatively constant concentration in the animal's body over it's life time - if a fish eats some high potassium food, it will excrete an equivalent of his own equally radioactive amount to maintain homeostasis.

It's for this exact reason the net "banana dose" of radiation, unless you are potassium deficient, is in fact zero.

Re: Japan starts release of Fukushima’s treated radioactive water

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Post by Prickle »

CalRobert wrote: post #26

Worth noting that coal plants release radioactive air without making the news. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-...

Unfortunately, humans generally don't care about what they can't see.

We can see pollution in water, on land, but not in the air.

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Post by fomine3 »

yabatopia wrote: post #7

The reaction of China and South Korea is hilariously hypocritical. Both countries have been dumping nuclear waste water in the ocean for years - and continue doing that. Geopolitics at it's worst.

To be fair, current Korean regime is calm.

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Post by the-dude »

killjoywashere wrote: post #33
the-dude wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti-nuclear stance of the Greens can't be judged in isolation and must be seen in the context of the Cold War and the impeding Nuclear Armageddon. I don't necessarily agree with the Greens but I remember this perilous time very well. And it was the incumbent non-Green powers who created this situation. Furthermore, this is not the only theme the Greens pressed on and I must admit our country is already much much…

> cleaner air, cleaner waters How much? Of what?

Trolls

Re: Japan starts release of Fukushima’s treated radioactive water

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Post by sooheon »

Prickle wrote: post #38
sooheon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source for claim that South Korea releases more than Japan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_of_radioactive_water... Annual release of tritium: 2020: South Korea Wolseong Nuclear Power Plant and others Total: 365tbq or 1,022mg The total amount currently stored at Fukushima is around 860tbq, intended to be released over the course of 30 years. So divide by 30 and that is around ~28tbq a year. Either way, the halflife of tritium is around 14years, and it's everywhere in…

Why does this only compare tritium, which is the supposedly safe material? What about "cesium, cobalt, lithium, and strontium" which are supposedly more dangerous?

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Post by corethree »

wdutch wrote: post #4
freetime2 wrote: post #2

> Japan says all radioactive elements have been filtered out except tritium, which is hard to remove from water. The hydrogen isotope is also discharged – at higher levels – by operational nuclear power plants, including in China and France. > That water will contain about 190 becquerels of tritium per litre, below the World Health Organization drinking water limit of 10,000 becquerels per litre, according to Tepco.…

China are making a fuss about it but it's just an excuse for geopolitics.

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Re: Japan starts release of Fukushima’s treated radioactive water

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Post by nonsense_stream »

yabatopia wrote: post #7

The reaction of China and South Korea is hilariously hypocritical. Both countries have been dumping nuclear waste water in the ocean for years - and continue doing that. Geopolitics at it's worst.

You do realize that neither South Korea nor China has ever dumped any nuclear POLLUTED (directly in contact with core) water into the ocean? I do not know where you come from, but blind trust in the Japanese government or TEPCO could also be geopolitics at it's worst. Especially if you consider that many of the families influential of Japanese politics during WW2 when they did horrible things in Korea and China still have influence today (unlike the case in Germany), taking the point of view from those who got invaded and lost tens of millions of lives, many in horrific massacres comparable to the holocaust, perhaps merely distrust is itself already very generous. I would favor the stance to demand more transparency and even more independent international investigation before measures are taken than to brush it off as no issue, even if only just for the peace of mind to the people of Korea and China.

EDIT: Typo

Re: Japan starts release of Fukushima’s treated radioactive water

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Post by ohgodplsno »

cornholio wrote: post #41
ohgodplsno wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I regret to tell you the ODWAC is made up of unqualified morons preying on your fears then. The ocean's average radioactivity is 12Bq/L, and there's a _lot_ of water. A single banana is 20Bq already. Dump a few million litres of 10000Bq/L water in the ocean over a few years, and the average radioactivity goes to... Still 12Bq/L

It depends on the exact elements that are causing that emission level. Heavy metals such as those present in nuclear waste tend to bio-accumulate in marine organisms, that then find their way into the food chain. This is unlike, say, naturally radioactive carbon or potassium isotopes, that have a relatively constant concentration in the animal's body over it's life time - if a fish eats some high potassium food, it w…

TW: French

https://twitter.com/TristanKamin/status/1694248709180084514

TEPCO did not detect any iron 55 or selenium 79, yet they are included in their estimates, at the worst possible doses, explcitly for safety. The amounts rejected and the radiation it exposes you to is about as harmful as living a few floors higher up that what you do. It's nothing.

Re: Japan starts release of Fukushima’s treated radioactive water

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Post by mirekrusin »

Prickle wrote: post #25
mirekrusin wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's under drinkable thresholds, they should bottle them and see how their "San Tritiurino" "energy water" / "water with a kick" sells in shops.

You realize water is distilled right? "Drink-able water" is different from "One item is below safe drinking thresholds". Drinking salty sea water is generally not recommended.

They can distill it and even flavour if they want.
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