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Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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Re: Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish people would just do some deeper investigation before forming opinions based on their biases. well then they wouldn’t be people now, would they? your reaction is fair. and rare.

> your reaction is fair. and rare. He read something he didn’t like and then attacked the person who said it by basically calling them an unthinking robot. It’s not fair and it’s incredibly common.

> by basically calling them an unthinking robot

speaking of comments both unfair and incredibly common… this gross oversimplification does a disservice to all parties involved.

op lamented a lack of introspection and a nastiness to judge a thing as useless or bad based upon an individual’s success or lack thereof with the thing.

if you found it offensive, perhaps it’s worth thinking on.

Re: Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't found it to be more than very marginally useful in my life. It's interesting that some people think it's incredibly useful and others find it not worth the bother. I wonder what the difference is?

I use it for tons of things personally. 1. Data reformatting, data parsing, anything that requires transforming data in anyway. E.g. give me all blah in this massive raw content of whatever. Give this data as json, this as csv. 2. Writing small scripts to do various other data related actions, automations. 3. Summaries. Extracting key points. Asking questions about content I don't understand well. Asking clarificatio…

> I haven't found hallucinations to be an issue at all, because I view the content with grain of salt in the first place

Even without ChatGPT, looking for information you're not already an expert on can be a minefield of opinions disguised as facts, false dichotomies, biased perspectives/framings, omissions, etc..

And it's already bad enough before you consider that someone may have intentionally attempted to mislead you.

Re: Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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Marketers gonna market. Anybody remember all the "big data" hype? ChatGPT and its ilk don't enable me to do something today that I couldn't do yesterday. Nor do they enable me to do something an order of magnitude faster than I could do yesterday. Contrast this to when microprocessors hit. Suddenly, things like industrial control went from the size of multiple refrigerators to a PC board. When the price dropped (thin…

Give it some time. How long was it from the day iPhone was introduced until Uber?

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Re: Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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what I parsed it as is: [(The exact opposite of a solution) in search of a problem] => a non-solution in search of a problem

what he actually said: [The exact opposite of (a solution in search of a problem)] => naive translation (a problem in search of a solution)

but what he meant is: a solution in search of a problem that ended up finding far more problems than anyone suspected.

"problem in search of solution" => bad. exact opposite of bad => good.

what it really is? I think closer to the first one.

why do they talk in such gobbledygook

Re: Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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Can't read the article. Does he mean it's a problem in search of a solution then? Or does he mean it's "the exact opposite of a solution, in search of a problem" (in other words, a problem in search of a problem)?

I think what he's trying to say is it's capable of solving more problems than we think.

That is implying that we haven’t actually found the problems for it to solve yet, which would make it a solution in search of a problem where PG is optimistic about the outcome of the search.

What I think he is trying to say is that it is a solution that addresses a broad range of problems that are clear now but weren’t envisioned by its creators, which is both impossible given the early claims (its creators already billed it as a general solution with easentially no limits) and, even if you ignore those claims and reduce it to a question of it being broadly applicable as a solution, generally premature (most of the more specific things it is billed as a solution for it hasn’t solved, though some people might have ideas, not yet proven jn practice, of how it can be a component of a solution).

Re: Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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It feels like we are well on our way toward the Trough of Disillusionment in the Gartner hype cycle for ChatGPT. It’s losing users daily. People are saying that it’s gotten worse since launch (don’t know if this is true but it’s what I’m hearing). As far as I know, it hasn’t revolutionized anything except spam generation.

I wish people would just do some deeper investigation before forming opinions based on their biases. If you actually use it you know it's incredibly useful for learning, getting answers to general problems that 99% of the time work fine and it helps you understand those answers. The amount of times it's wrong or misleading is not significant enough to even be annoying during day to day use. Just talking about current…

> I wish people would just do some deeper investigation before forming opinions based on their biases. If you actually use it you know it's incredibly useful for learning, getting answers to general problems that 99% of the time work fine and it helps you understand those answers.

I actually use it and I find that that 99% is ridiculously high.

> The amount of times it's wrong or misleading is not significant enough to even be annoying during day to day use

There may be use cases where it isn’t wrong a lot, or you may jave a high tolerance before annoyance hits, or you may be failing to detect it being wrong, but that certainly doesn’t match my experience.

Re: Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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> the supply chain and procurement industry need this badly Anyone have examples of how GPT can help there?

I'm not sure about GPT, because this is visual task.

Good examples are typical courier service, or FedEX. Or companies like Amazon make their own delivery services.

They usually have standard boxes/envelopes with standard barcode markings for correspondence.

All these boxes/envelopes gathered from sending offices and concentrated into sort facility, where machine vision could sort them, to separate container for each destination branch office, or for some places, big central office have it's own container.

Than containers load to big truck and run to destination city, where unload at destination branch office.

In destination branch office next sorting distribute packages to containers of small offices.

Then smaller truck deliver containers to small offices.

Similar thing happen on returns, just in target office created new mark and placed over old mark.

What could be wrong? - Some delivery companies allow containers of free form, not just rectangular or envelopes, just limiting weight and sum of sizes, so you for example could send car body kit, or skis, not inside rectangular container.

For human, handling such things is trivial task, but for machine it is nightmare. But if this thing will see something like GPT-4, which claimed multimodal, possible it will detect it right and understand how to handle it.

Re: Paul Graham calls A.I. ‘the exact opposite of a solution in search of a problem’

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I could agree with Paul Graham only in one - current AI systems use too much energy when doing really interest tasks, and make too little value.

For others his words, they are against Capitalism, because this is it's typical way - Pareto's principle, use new tool on 20% cases, where you could make 80% profit, and don't wait, until tool will handle 100% cases.

If mankind lived against Capitalism, we would not have cars and planes, we would still use steam engines.

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