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Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by squokko »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #40
benatkin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fine by me if self-driving cars need help and get it, so long as the technology is beneficial. I think it is.

Ok, on what grounds is technology that performs a job that humans can generally do better at beneficial in the broad sense? That it's benefitting a handful of individuals who profit off eliminating jobs isn't in question, but where's the upside for the rest of us?

The upside is that automobile crashes kill >30,000 people in the US alone and self-driving cars may one day bring that number down by 90%

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

kube-system wrote: post #25
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #18

What I'd like to know is if the concrete was marked out with cones. If it was then clearly the car's fault, if not then the worker's fault. Cones become more critical with the proliferation of non-human drivers.

We expect human drivers to attempt to avoid accidents which are not their fault (see: legal duty to lookout/avoid), why shouldn't we do the same for non-human drivers? To not do this seems like a step backwards in safety expectations.

I was going to add that cones are just as important for human drivers but I thought it was obvious. I don't think human drivers can detect wet concrete (or other hidden hazards) any better than machines.

These sorts of safety issues have been a always been a problem, with lax markings, etc, but now are more acute with non-human drivers.

I think ultimately it raises the question of whether it's reasonable to offer some accommodations to non-human drivers where they don't perform so well. Do they have to be at the standard of human drivers for everything? That's probably impossible.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by Manuel_D »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #40
benatkin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fine by me if self-driving cars need help and get it, so long as the technology is beneficial. I think it is.

Ok, on what grounds is technology that performs a job that humans can generally do better at beneficial in the broad sense? That it's benefitting a handful of individuals who profit off eliminating jobs isn't in question, but where's the upside for the rest of us?

Enormous amounts of time are wasted commuting. The passengers benefit from self driving cars, not just the auto maker.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by [deleted] »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #40
benatkin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fine by me if self-driving cars need help and get it, so long as the technology is beneficial. I think it is.

Ok, on what grounds is technology that performs a job that humans can generally do better at beneficial in the broad sense? That it's benefitting a handful of individuals who profit off eliminating jobs isn't in question, but where's the upside for the rest of us?

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Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by forgetfreeman »

squokko wrote: post #41
forgetfreeman wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, on what grounds is technology that performs a job that humans can generally do better at beneficial in the broad sense? That it's benefitting a handful of individuals who profit off eliminating jobs isn't in question, but where's the upside for the rest of us?

The upside is that automobile crashes kill >30,000 people in the US alone and self-driving cars may one day bring that number down by 90%

Might they? Is that a purely faith-based assertion or is that claim grounded in anything? Because current performance suggests otherwise.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by forgetfreeman »

Manuel_D wrote: post #43
forgetfreeman wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, on what grounds is technology that performs a job that humans can generally do better at beneficial in the broad sense? That it's benefitting a handful of individuals who profit off eliminating jobs isn't in question, but where's the upside for the rest of us?

Enormous amounts of time are wasted commuting. The passengers benefit from self driving cars, not just the auto maker.

So you're saying a handful of randos having a little spare time to catch up on Reddit during their commute is a net plus trade for putting mediocre operators on the road? That's definitely a take.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by juanani »

elif wrote: post #10
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s called “primal fear”

I dunno I've been using FSD over a year now and I still get giddy like I'm watching a DARPA challenge car in the university computer lab every time. Some of us are just excited and not scared by the future?

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Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by squokko »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #45
squokko wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The upside is that automobile crashes kill >30,000 people in the US alone and self-driving cars may one day bring that number down by 90%

Might they? Is that a purely faith-based assertion or is that claim grounded in anything? Because current performance suggests otherwise.

Current performance definitely does not suggest otherwise! Over Waymo's first million miles, it was involved in two collisions, one of them at-fault. The average for human drivers is 5.3 collisions per million miles.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by farrarstan »

nasmorn wrote: post #13

I once saw a women drive into a light rail construction site where her car was driving on the rail tracks which were held up by poles. She apparently thought that was how she could also cross the vast chasm that was the construction pit. Unfortunately humans have nothing on the self driving cars in this.

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Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by farrarstan »

elif wrote: post #10
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s called “primal fear”

I dunno I've been using FSD over a year now and I still get giddy like I'm watching a DARPA challenge car in the university computer lab every time. Some of us are just excited and not scared by the future?

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