Do y'all really use ChatGPT for coding questions? Every time I have tried, the answer I get is entirely wrong, and I end up going back to either first party documentation, or Stack Exchange.
same here
Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
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Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
#42An interesting thing to me about SO is how their focus on being Dev Centric ultimately led to some problematic internal culture issues. This came up in a podcast episode I did and then turned up on twitter. At one point in 2013/2014, an exec asked me if any of the developers had ever treated me badly because I was a woman. My honest reply at the time was “not because I’m a woman, but they definitely have treated me b…
Entitled "special" people are a problem everywhere. Dev's who are labeled as high performers get greenfield projects that can be pumped out quickly / look good ... someone else does the maintenance, they get all the flack for an obvious bug that wasn't fixed even if they didn't make it. The random executive who is thought to be highly successful who jumps from department to department spreading his fingerprint long e…
As time goes on, I more and more have the feeling that maintenance is 95% of the value in any software system.
A well-designed system at launch is not sufficient to provide sustained value, but competent ongoing maintenance is. Phrased another way, you can sustain value by maintaining a badly designed system but not by not maintaining a well-designed system.
Ideally systems are well designed and well maintained but we don’t always have that luxury.
Circling back to your point, it’s ironic that maintenance is the lowest-value activity in terms of big tech company reward systems.
Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
ChatGPT at least seems like it is trying to help me. The meta games going on in SO are a whole lot more of a mess and ChatGPT is more than happy to hear my question a 3rd time and spit out the same answer as before but change a few things. SO, not so much.
I use chatgpt as a rubber duck who I’m suspicious of. Way too often it just comes up with fictional features
I really don't get this dependence problem. People want information to be 100% accurate?
This is the internet -- lies and false claims are the standard. It's up to individuals to corroborate that the info they're looking at is reliable. Google provides a list of relevant results to a keyword search -- every one of those results can be bogus and no one bats an eye. ChatGPT provides text output based on a text input and the text can be bogus. Why should ChatGPT be held to a higher standard than Google?
Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
ChatGPT at least seems like it is trying to help me. The meta games going on in SO are a whole lot more of a mess and ChatGPT is more than happy to hear my question a 3rd time and spit out the same answer as before but change a few things. SO, not so much.
I use chatgpt as a rubber duck who I’m suspicious of. Way too often it just comes up with fictional features
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Yeah and I think an issue is how engineers think vs other people. What maybe seen as rude or negative is just an engineer optimizing for efficiency or technical correctness. Other people then tend to take things personally and attach emotion to situations where they are having to be corrected. I have this play out repeatedly in my personal life. I've found I have to simply let people do the wrong things or fail a lit…
> ...do the wrong things or fail a little bit and gently guide solutions
That's getting someone to change their mind 101. Not an engineer exclusive insight. I think a lot of "oh engineers are so rational that's why people think we're so rude" is just post hoc rationalization for poor social skills.
Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
#46That was a really interesting. I do worry about the effect of sort of aggregating forces impact on places where content is created. We've seen it with news and etc already. Having said that with Stack Overflow the real reason I hit ChatGPT first in many cases is FRICTION. The UI, the users, the answers that are technically correct but "weird". It's a lot of filtering I have to do as a user that I don't do with ChatGP…
> It's a lot of filtering I have to do as a user
For me, 95% of the time it is enough to read the first couple lines of the question, then hit the "End" key and read the least-upvoted answer.
Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
#47An interesting thing to me about SO is how their focus on being Dev Centric ultimately led to some problematic internal culture issues. This came up in a podcast episode I did and then turned up on twitter. At one point in 2013/2014, an exec asked me if any of the developers had ever treated me badly because I was a woman. My honest reply at the time was “not because I’m a woman, but they definitely have treated me b…
corecursive.com is your podcast?
Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah and I think an issue is how engineers think vs other people. What maybe seen as rude or negative is just an engineer optimizing for efficiency or technical correctness. Other people then tend to take things personally and attach emotion to situations where they are having to be corrected. I have this play out repeatedly in my personal life. I've found I have to simply let people do the wrong things or fail a lit…
"Optimising for efficiency" on a personal/personnel/social level is one of the most common forms of rudeness in every day life. It generally _is_ rudeness.
Politeness, is of course, when you hate the other person so much that you waste their time with all the various social rituals.
Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
#49That was a really interesting. I do worry about the effect of sort of aggregating forces impact on places where content is created. We've seen it with news and etc already. Having said that with Stack Overflow the real reason I hit ChatGPT first in many cases is FRICTION. The UI, the users, the answers that are technically correct but "weird". It's a lot of filtering I have to do as a user that I don't do with ChatGP…
I guess I'm just used to it now, but I kind of like the UI. It's easy to skim the page to find the part I'm looking for.
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Re: Inside The Decline of Stack Exchange
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
ChatGPT at least seems like it is trying to help me. The meta games going on in SO are a whole lot more of a mess and ChatGPT is more than happy to hear my question a 3rd time and spit out the same answer as before but change a few things. SO, not so much.
I use chatgpt as a rubber duck who I’m suspicious of. Way too often it just comes up with fictional features
I’m going to steal that.
I’ve been trying to explain to people that GPT is good for subjective things, not object of things. But that didn’t really jive with the programming part that works OK for certain tasks.
Then I realized it does and programming is just subjective a lot of the time. You need a right answer but how you get there is open.
Using it as a spring board is good advice.