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Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

#41
As a long-time Firefox user (or rather, LibreWolf and Mull now) the biggest problem as I see it is websites that no longer support it. Compatibility is constantly getting worse as Chrome/Blink monopolises web dev and testing.

I'm considering writing letters to some of the sites that have the biggest issues and raising it as an issue.

Otherwise, Firefox is mostly fine. I have a few gripes with it and Moz are mismanaging their projects, but desktop Linux is hardly their #1 issue.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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As a firefox and desktop linux user I don’t see any problem

As a Firefox and Linux user, I do see that problem. Hardware video acceleration is fine now, and apparently has been for some time. But e.g. Google Meet plainly refuses to blur the video call background when run on Firefox. It happily does that when running in Chromium.

As a Firefox on Linux user I also see a problem. It isn't that uncommon to see a feature drop on windows and mac before linux.

And for a long time, there has been an issue where if you update Firefox with a linux package manager, you have to restart the whole browser, or the browser stops working. That isn't a problem on windows or mac (usually). And it isn't something you have to deal with with chromium on linux either.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

#44
Having never developed a browser engine, my naive question is why is it so hard to develop a new one? We have decent free and/or open-source software in other areas, why is it hard to reproduce this experience with the browsers?

Or, is the problem in the complexity of the modern web browsing experience, and the walled garden created around it by current major browser developers (new standards, etc.)?

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

#45

> In an ideal world, the major stakeholders of the Linux desktop – KDE, GNOME, the various major distributions – would get together and seriously consider a plan of action. The best possible solution, in my view, would be to fork one of the major browser engines (or pick one and significantly invest in it), and modify this engine and tailor it specifically for the Linux desktop. Is it really the best solution to crea…

I think you concluded with a very key point, though.

> And who guarantees that the fork will further exist without weird funding?

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

#46

> In an ideal world, the major stakeholders of the Linux desktop – KDE, GNOME, the various major distributions – would get together and seriously consider a plan of action. The best possible solution, in my view, would be to fork one of the major browser engines (or pick one and significantly invest in it), and modify this engine and tailor it specifically for the Linux desktop. Is it really the best solution to crea…

The problem is that you cannot donate to Firefox's development.

Donations all to to Mozilla, and if the article is to be believed, Mozilla won't use the extra money or FF for Linux.

Hell, in the past we've seen Mozilla divert funds away from Firefox to support unrelated stuff.

There is currently no way, right now, to give financial support to Firefox development without forking it.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

#47
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Together, Linux + ChromeOS (much closer to standard GNU+Linux than Android) have something between 6% and 7% of the desktop. I don't remember people saying the same about MacOS when it was around that mark. Of course, we must be realistic. Linux around 6% is very different from MacOS at 6%. In that case, they already had support from items people complain to this day about Linux not having; main examĺes are msoffice…

I use kubuntu as my daily driver for work for a little over 2 years now. I still run into daily issues that just make me not want to use it for my personal desktop os. I fret Everytime I update, yet I must update due to work. but I have to schedule and plan those updates so that when the whole thing takes a shit, I can spend 2 or 3 hours fixing it. Just using the built in update utility, or apt upgrade, or really any…

It's got to be the hardware. Most people don't have two or three hours fixing their desktop after an update. I use Debian Testing, and I can't remember the last time an update went bad; it's been years.

If you use bleeding-edge hardware with an OS that vendors aren't specifically targeting, expect problems. I gave up trying to put Linux on random new laptops, so I've researched compatibility ahead of every purchase I've made in the last 10 years. Also, if you buy from a vendor that specializes in Linux, there will be a markup, but you will also get assurances and support.

We can pretend like that's a failure on the part of Linux, but Apple only gives you like five choices of machine, while Linux runs at least somewhat on every random computer-like object.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

#48

Together, Linux + ChromeOS (much closer to standard GNU+Linux than Android) have something between 6% and 7% of the desktop. I don't remember people saying the same about MacOS when it was around that mark. Of course, we must be realistic. Linux around 6% is very different from MacOS at 6%. In that case, they already had support from items people complain to this day about Linux not having; main examĺes are msoffice…

And Krita. Great software.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

#49

They should fire most of the overhead personnel and sock their salaries into income producing investments, so when big G closes the tap, R&D can continue indefinitely. Hopefully then they’ll stop reinventing tabs, ruining privacy, and focus on the aforementioned bugs.

The sort of have other revenue generating products. From top of my head, they have firefox relay, vpn, a cooperation with pocket(getpocket_com) and I see some more test products. They are trying but once you offer people something for free, trying to side/up-sell your monetized products feel sleezy and a lot of reputation hit(see pocket integration causing outrage, or brave promoting their crypto bundle thing which you can entirely hide and never use).

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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Together, Linux + ChromeOS (much closer to standard GNU+Linux than Android) have something between 6% and 7% of the desktop. I don't remember people saying the same about MacOS when it was around that mark. Of course, we must be realistic. Linux around 6% is very different from MacOS at 6%. In that case, they already had support from items people complain to this day about Linux not having; main examĺes are msoffice…

https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha... This has it at 5.1%. But ChromeOS has a lot of corporate mojo making it work. It’s only partially open source. A lot of the good bits are closed. So that puts Linux at 2.91%. A rounding error. For 30 years.

3% is probably twice as many as 10 years ago. Pretty good for people who aren't selling you anything and aren't asking you to use Linux.
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