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Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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post #31

First off, I love Daft Punk and I’ve heard all of these song countless times. But, sorry, I don’t buy it. I am aware of the talking piano effect, but even the wiki page [0] says it’s a vocoder, which is something entirely different. Similar to other commenters here [1], I don’t hear the pattern described for the octave effect either. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Rock_(song)https://en.... [1] https://news…

It is not the vocoder but the guitar riff that sounds like robot rock.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

#42
This is a better demonstration of octave illusion, I had no clue wtf the article meant until I listened to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMsK9rjBWo

But I heard the lower tone in the middle of my head and higher tone bouncing from left to right. Not the "low on one side, high on the other side" article mentioned.

Kinda interesting to think some people might hear completely different thing in same song...

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

#43
post #15

I wonder how many folks that spend thousands of hours in front of a synthesizer or making electronic music or beats have identified similar illusions but don't really think of it as something 'interesting'. Like, 'oh yeah if you do this it kind of sounds like that'. Probably a whole catalog of tricks.

When I was 14 years old, I noticed how pure saw waves make fast transient sounds go "whooshy".

1. Play a pure saw wave sound for several seconds, it has to be loud (use headphones), then

2. hit the keyboard keys, or snap your fingers, or make other sounds with fast transients, and the transient is no longer snappy, it "whooshes". It's hard to describe but there is like a flanging effect on it.

I guess there is some scientific name for this phenomenon, but I don't know what.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

#44
Would someone please send him a tweet telling him that you can start videos specific timestamps on YouTube by adding "&t=0s" where 0 is the desired number of seconds to the URL? I'm not making a new Twitter acct just to contact a person who has "Contact Follow me at Twitter: @ugu_rs" as the only means of such on their blog

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

#45
post #4

> Open the song Aerodynamic and fast-forward to 2:28, start listening to the passage. I hear the higher pitch on my right and the lower one on my left ear. What about you? tbh I'm not sure which notes they're referring to here. There are a couple overlapping high/low pairs in that segment, and I'm not sure which is the octave/those frequencies. One seems like higher is more in my left, but it clearly follows the left…

Same for me, just hearing the high tone bouncing around

Here is better video for that illusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMsK9rjBWo

I've heard of an effect where brain synthesises lower tone from the higher harmonics, might that be reason why I hear the low tone in both ears at once?

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

#46
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people are hearing what you hear. It's the simultaneous tones, one low, one high, low in the left, high in the right. It's not that it's panning (one at a time), it's together (or within ms of each other when mixed with other techniques). Once you understand this, then the concept of just flipping it makes even more sense. Then get creative and flippity floppity the high/low left/right dance.

That's what the sounds are actually doing though, so what would the illusion be?

the illusion is it's perceived as the "same" note/tone. It's not, and when you dig, you can tell it's not, but when you're casually listening, your brain here's a "fuller" note for some reason. The "fuller" comes from the two octaves being played simultaneously in your seperate ear holes.

Like sleight-of-hand, you know it's there but you can't quite discern it at the time and are gladly surprised by it but you know it's not real magic.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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post #4

> Open the song Aerodynamic and fast-forward to 2:28, start listening to the passage. I hear the higher pitch on my right and the lower one on my left ear. What about you? tbh I'm not sure which notes they're referring to here. There are a couple overlapping high/low pairs in that segment, and I'm not sure which is the octave/those frequencies. One seems like higher is more in my left, but it clearly follows the left…

people are hearing what you hear. It's the simultaneous tones, one low, one high, low in the left, high in the right. It's not that it's panning (one at a time), it's together (or within ms of each other when mixed with other techniques). Once you understand this, then the concept of just flipping it makes even more sense. Then get creative and flippity floppity the high/low left/right dance.

I don't hear that. I hear constant low tone in both ears with only high one bouncing around (i.e the ear where high is is perceiving low one even if it is not there)

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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post #26
post #15

I wonder how many folks that spend thousands of hours in front of a synthesizer or making electronic music or beats have identified similar illusions but don't really think of it as something 'interesting'. Like, 'oh yeah if you do this it kind of sounds like that'. Probably a whole catalog of tricks.

Happens all the time. Most common one for me is when you're making a patch on a synth and by chance dial in those frequencies that align with formants (similar to the Robot Rock effect the post mentions). Yesterday I was working on a bass drum beat, and after adding some synths playing on top of it, I started to hear the bass drum echo. So, my first thought was I had accidentally enabled some kind of reverb or echo e…

I always wonder if it's some odd thing going on in the DAW.

Would you be willing to export that track as two tracks--one with drums and one with synth? Then listen to them solo, then run them together (with WAV files instead of instrumentation)? Would be neat to have that illusion confirmed rather than it being a DAW artifact.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

#49
https://youtu.be/1oD2DWf4CjQ

Com Truise - Fairlight

I wouldn't call this an illusion as much as an interesting effect. Put on a good pair of headphones and listen to the intro at moderately high volume. There's a buzzing note in there that seems to resonate in a way that feels like it's coming from inside your head or maybe even your throat.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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This article is horribly written and executed for many reasons, but the primary one being that the vast majority of the music credited as Daft Punk is just sampled music from other artists. You can eloquently see this broken down here: https://youtu.be/lBSWw7RdZLk

At least get the original works correct.

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