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Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by [deleted] »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #39
endisneigh wrote: post #10

IMHO they were very dumb to do the emergency lending nonsense to begin with. A good example of letting ideology walk you past the cliff. Even if they’re successful against the injunction the damage has been done. Given how tenuous online lending is already, it was naive to push the boundary further. I feel a similar ideological gap is slowly growing in the treatment of data surrounding generative AI.

What is it there to lose? Worst case we're back to kindle which is the same as doing nothing.

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Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by Minor49er »

usr1106 wrote: post #38
Minor49er wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libraries and schools have been adopting books that depict graphic sexual acts. These books are targeted at minors and parents are demanding their removal. Rightly so

I saw graphic sexual acts in schoolbooks and children books at the age of ten 50 years ago. In Europe, not US. I doubt that it has impacted my mental health, my development or anything else. It's a fact that the US has more teenage pregnancies and more porn production than most European countries. It appears to me that the "Me too" problem is bigger in the US. So parents asking for removal of such books don't do anyt…

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Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by qingcharles »

jawns wrote: post #9

This is a bizarre post. It says nothing about what the papers filed actually mean. The papers are a proposed permanent injunction that both the publishers and IA have (mostly) agreed on, although the IA wants the injunction to only apply to books that are in print and licensed by the publishers as ebooks. The publishers want it to apply to all books. I don't know why IA decided to post about it in such a cryptic way,…

I almost never see conditions attached to rulings. No judge would want to be pulled up on some freedom of speech issue. It's just IA being IA...

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by jazzyjackson »

booleandilemma wrote: post #17

I like what the internet archive is doing, but I'm saddened that many just use it as a hack to get around paywalls. I don't think that's in alignment with the internet archive's mission. I think it's important for society in the long-term to keep journalism a rewarding profession. Maybe as a compromise the internet archive could only allow access to archived journalism content after, say, a year's time. We'd be sure…

The archive's mission is "Universal Access to All Knowledge", how do you figure that keeping a copy of news articles is not in line with that mission?

Do you know you can walk into any library and read the daily paper?

If a news outfit doesn't like what the archive is doing they can issue takedown requests and the archive will comply. Could be that journalists appreciate having the archive available to them more than viewing it as a threat to their livelihood.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by qingcharles »

bensecure wrote: post #36
_23sd wrote: post #14

The specific development this post references is a proposed injunction [1] that Internet Archive and the publishers agreed on and sent to the judge. With certain exceptions (such as accessibility and fair use), IA would have to remove from its lending program any books that are commercially available from the publishers. IA wants "commercially available in electronic text format" and the publishers want "commercially…

Either way is a win I think. It becomes effectively legal to distribute digital copies of out of print books, which up to now you had to go find a physical copy of if you wanted to read it.

I agree. While the injunction has no binding force outside the parties to the suit, I think any other defendants in the future can point to this as persuasive.

I'm building an online magazine archive for orphaned media and this is a great ruling for me to use in case I find my entity in legal hot water.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by QuantumG »

dannyobrien wrote: post #31
QuantumG wrote: post #16

Chris Freeland is a menace to our library. The case was open and shut.

I'm pretty distant from this, but I'm fairly sure Chris Freeland just wrote this blog post: and my spider sense suggests he probably actually just posted it after it had been collectively written by many many many lawyers.

Heh. The EFF is the legal support.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by zer8k »

booleandilemma wrote: post #17

I like what the internet archive is doing, but I'm saddened that many just use it as a hack to get around paywalls. I don't think that's in alignment with the internet archive's mission. I think it's important for society in the long-term to keep journalism a rewarding profession. Maybe as a compromise the internet archive could only allow access to archived journalism content after, say, a year's time. We'd be sure…

> but I'm saddened that many just use it as a hack to get around paywalls.

I have yet to run into a single piece from any mainstream news outlet that deserves my money. I have happily paid for the Financial Times, for example, because they have significantly higher bars set for journalistic integrity. Reuters is another one.

Pardon me if I don't cry that NYT, WaPo, Marketwatch, WSJ, Bloomberg, and all other OpEd-disguised-as-journalism vendors don't get my $0.001 worth of clicks.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by wl »

mcpackieh wrote: post #29

The worst part of this is the CDL scheme used DRM, making it strictly inferior to piracy and therefore essentially useless to me and many others. IA has stuck their neck on the chopping block for the dumbest reason. They should have stuck to legally hosting whatever they can legally host without DRM and left the rest to other organizations that can thumb their noses at American courts.

They had print books that were not otherwise available as ebooks. This has been immensely useful for my research. I have a feeling that I have a whole lot more interlibrary loans in my future.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by mdp2021 »

Furthermore:

I am seeing in the CNA (Channel News Asia) titles a:

> Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna-lifestyle/music-labels-s...

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One note:

> The lawsuit said the recordings are all available on authorized streaming services and "face no danger of being lost, forgotten, or destroyed"

«Authorized streaming services» are businesses, not preservation entities (libraries). They do not inherently provide a warranty.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by wkat4242 »

booleandilemma wrote: post #17

I like what the internet archive is doing, but I'm saddened that many just use it as a hack to get around paywalls. I don't think that's in alignment with the internet archive's mission. I think it's important for society in the long-term to keep journalism a rewarding profession. Maybe as a compromise the internet archive could only allow access to archived journalism content after, say, a year's time. We'd be sure…

It's archive.is that's more used to bypass those. Not really archive.org as it's not as effective for that.
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