Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
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Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#42If scientists are going to complain that's its too hard or too expensive to replicate their studies, then that just shows their work is BS.
Nah, it doesn't. It just shows that it's time consuming and expensive to replicate their studies.
Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#43I wish we can replicate the LHC
Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#44Peer review does not serve to assure replication, but assure readability and comprehensibility of the paper. Given that some experiments cost billions to conduct, it is impossible to implement "Peer Replication" for all papers. What could be done is to add metadata about papers that were replicated.
Barriers to publication should be lower for replication studies, I think that’s the main problem. If someone wants to spend some time replicating something that’s only been described in a paper or two, that is valuable work for the community and should be encouraged. If the person is a PhD student using that as an opportunity to hone their skills, it’s even better. It’s not glamorous, it’s not something entirely new,…
Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#45Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#46In the distant past, publication was an informal process that mostly involved mailing around letters, or for a major result, self-publishing a book. Eventually publishers began to devise formal journals for this purpose, and some of those journals began to receive more submissions than it was feasible to publish or verify just by reputation. Some of the more popular journals hit upon the idea of applying basic editorial standards to reject badly-written papers and obvious spam. Since the journal editors weren’t experts in all fields of science, they asked for volunteers to help with this process. That’s what peer review is.
Eventually bureaucrats (inside and largely outside of the scientific community) demanded a technique for measuring the productivity of a scientist, so they could allocate budgets or promotions. They hit on the idea of using publications in a few prestigious journals as a metric, which turned a useful process (sharing results with other scientists) into [from an outsider perspective] a process of receiving “academic points”, where the publication of a result appears to be the end-goal and not just an intermediate point in the validation of a result.
Still other outsiders, who misunderstand the entire process, are upset that intermediate results are sometimes incorrect. This confuses them, and they’re angry that the process sometimes assigns “points” to people who they perceive as undeserving. So instead of simply accepting that sharing results widely to maximize the chance of verification is the whole point of the publication process, or coming up with a better set of promotion metrics, they want to gum up the essential sharing process to make it much less efficient and reduce the fan-out degree and rate of publication. This whole mess seems like it could be handled a lot more intelligently.
Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#47> the real test of a paper should be the ability to reproduce its findings in the real world. ... > What if all the experiments in the paper are too complicated to replicate? Then you can submit to [the Journal of Irreproducible Results]. Observational science is still a branch of science even if it's difficult or impossible to replicate. Consider the first photographs of a live giant squid in its natural habitat, pu…
I think in some of those cases you have conclusions drawn from raw data that could be replicated or reviewed. For example many teams use the same raw data from Large Colliders, or JWT, or other large science projects to reach competiting conclusions. Yes in a perfect world we would also replicate the data collection but we do not live in a perfect world Same is true for Drug Trials, there is always a battle over gett…
Yes, but why must the first team wait until the second is finished before publishing?
What if you are the only person in the world with expertise in the fossil record of an obscure branch of snails? You spend 10 years developing a paper knowing that the next person with the right training to replicate the work might not even be born yet.
Other paleontologists might not be able to replicate the work, but still tell if it's publishable - that's what they do now, yes?
> but we do not live in a perfect world
Alternatively, we don't live in a perfect world which is why we have the current system instead of requiring replication first.
Since the same logic works for both cases, I don't think it's persuasive logic.
> the FDA says it will take decades
Well, that's a tangent. The FDA is charged with protecting and promoting public health, not improving the state of scholarly literature.
And the FDA is only one of many public health organizations which carried out COVID vaccine trials.
Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#48Publication is a starting point, not a conclusion
Publication is submitting your code. It still needs to be tested, rolled out, evaluated, and time-tested.
Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#49I don't see how this could ever work, and non-scientists seem to often dramatically underestimate the amount of work it would be to replicate every published paper. This of course depends a lot on the specific field, but it can easily be months of effort to replicate a paper. You save some time compared to the original as you don't have to repeat the dead ends and you might receive some samples and can skip parts of…
It's simple but not easy: You create another path to tenure which is based on replication, or on equal terms as a part of a tenure package. (For example, x fewer papers but x number of replications, and you are expected to have x replications in your specialty.) You also create a grant funding section for replication which is then passed on to these independent systems. (You would have to have some sort of randomizat…
Could it be simplified it even further to say x number of papers, but they only count if they’re replicated by others in the field?
Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)
#50I don't see how this could ever work, and non-scientists seem to often dramatically underestimate the amount of work it would be to replicate every published paper. This of course depends a lot on the specific field, but it can easily be months of effort to replicate a paper. You save some time compared to the original as you don't have to repeat the dead ends and you might receive some samples and can skip parts of…
They also tend to over-estimate the effect of peer review (often equating peer review with validity).
> If someone cares enough about the work to build on it, they will replicate it anyway. And in that case they have a good incentive to spend the effort. If that works this will indirectly support the original paper even if the following papers don't specifically replicate the original results. Though this part is much more problematic if the following experiments fail, then this will likely remain entirely unpublished.
It can also remain unpublished if other things did not work out, even if the results could be replicated. A half-fictional example: a team is working on a revolutionary new material to solve complicated engineering problems. They found a material that was synthesised by someone in the 1980s, published once and never reproduced, which they think could have the specific property they are after. So they synthesise it, and it turns out that the material exists, with the expected structure but not with the property they hoped. They aren’t going to write it up and publish it; they’re just going to scrap it and move on to the next candidate. Different teams might be doing the same thing at the same time, and nobody coming after them will have a clue.