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Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by pixxel »

spookie wrote: post #36
pixxel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couple of google tests: “Black man” “Black family” Results as expected. “White man” “White family” A mixture of black and white. “happy black woman” Results as expected. “happy white woman” Lots of white women with black men. Edit: DDG’s results seems to fair better.

Can't reproduce these results.

I don’t use google and actively block on my home network. I’ve just tested with a clean VM using VPN in Sweden, Uk and USA. All results are reproducible for me and are not tainted with my browsing history.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by spookie »

veave wrote: post #39
spookie wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't reproduce these results.

You don't see this? https://i.imgur.com/e5GaIgn.jpeg

No, I don't know what to say. I don't use Google tbh, but as someone else commented on here, that's not a viable reason either. I really don't know.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by mrweasel »

em-bee wrote: post #22
cheald wrote: post #2

I'm very glad for this! I've been using Brave search almost since it launched, and the standard results have gotten great, but it's always been a bummer to have to go out to Bing/Google for images/video. It's really nice having an alternative that isn't just wrapper around someone else's search index.

i have been using brave search for a while now and i was surprised and am very satisfied with the search results. missing image and video search was a bit annoying mostly in that it linked to google and bing but not any other search engines. but i just remembered to switch to where i wanted to do image search instead. it sometimes meant that i had to go back to retype my search query, but i'd rather have a good text…

The search results are pretty good, but I can't work with the layout. I really don't like that video results a so prominently displayed, I don't understand why results a split into multiple "boxes". It's way to messy.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by mrweasel »

computronus wrote: post #38
SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #28

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I'm a little surprised to hear other people having such good results. Brave search was my default for quite a while, until a few weeks after they got rid of bing results. As soon as that happened, stuff just wasn't showing up that I'd expect to be there, and 90% of the time I'd follow up searches with !g or !ddg just to get something decent to show up. The index just felt severely lacking, or the relevancy was pretty…

Possibly, at least for my own experience. It's much less often that I rerun a search with !g. Brave Search's results are becoming more relevant to my own queries, and Google's becoming less so. Not to mention how ads like to masquerade as ordinary Google results; using Google is starting to feel less comfortable.

That seems to be the general case, other search engines. Especially Bing and those based on Bing are yield increasingly good results, while Google is just ads and spam.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by qwertox »

I'm always staying away from Brave because I've been confronted so many times with bait-and-switch tactics that I have the feeling that one day they will move away from being good and monetize all the collected data, even though they don't collect data.

I'm so skeptical that I'm just now starting to develop a feeling of trust towards DuckDuckGo.

In the browser domain, Mozilla is the only company of which I feel that it is genuinely pro-customer.

So I give all my stuff to Google and hope that they at least just protect it from hackers, while I am aware that they analyze my data in order to see how they can monetize me better, but at least with anonymity in regards to 3rd parties. I just hope I'm not wrong.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by nxrabl »

That makes two companies who both maintain their own Chromium forks and run direct competitors to core Google search products. I wonder if we'll see Google start to close off open development on Chrome - Microsoft will likely be fine, but that could put Brave in a precarious position.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by skilled »

d_theorist wrote: post #27
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #19

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Hmm, I agree it's odd, but 'shady' seems to attribute malice to what could just be stupidity?

Or probably just an innocent oversight? I imagine they might have taken this decision early on when they were far too small for anybody to even think of not wanting to be crawled by them, and just never revisited the decision.

It’s not so innocent,

https://stackdiary.com/brave-selling-copyrighted-data-for-ai...

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by metadat »

qwertox wrote: post #46

I'm always staying away from Brave because I've been confronted so many times with bait-and-switch tactics that I have the feeling that one day they will move away from being good and monetize all the collected data, even though they don't collect data. I'm so skeptical that I'm just now starting to develop a feeling of trust towards DuckDuckGo. In the browser domain, Mozilla is the only company of which I feel that…

You should check these assumptions, Mozilla has been hard at work enshittifying their entire portfolio. Instead of giving the public features they actually want (the most secure, performant, and predictable web browser), the current CEO has directed the focus towards revenue-generating features.

My god, there is so much telemetry in FF now, and it's tricky to hunt down all the about:configs to disable it. Not friendly or privacy conscious at all. Do you really want Mozilla to get pinged with your IP address every time your browser process starts and exits? Yuck!

Quick FF enshittification example from 2 months ago:

Alert HN: Mozilla puts advertising into Firefox AGAIN

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36351322 (48 comments)

Mozilla stops Firefox fullscreen VPN ads after user outrage

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36085642 (220 comments)

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by mox1 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #31
em-bee wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have been using brave search for a while now and i was surprised and am very satisfied with the search results. missing image and video search was a bit annoying mostly in that it linked to google and bing but not any other search engines. but i just remembered to switch to where i wanted to do image search instead. it sometimes meant that i had to go back to retype my search query, but i'd rather have a good text…

I wonder what's different about our searches and expectations. I've been using Brave as a default for 1y+ and I still get consistently bad results compared to Google. The only reason it's remotely competitive is how much Google itself has declined in quality. A recent example from my search history, "doors of stone release date". The author has announced a new novella releasing Nov. 2023, but not the actual book Door…

Overall Brave search has been good for me. I have been using it as the default on every PC / Browser I utilize.

I will say there are times when it just falls flat. Like I will search for a brand or specific thing , expecting to get to the home / login page for that brand, and it just flat out gives me weird results.

But when I put the !g in front of the query, the first result is always what I wanted.

On the other than, when doing more general searches, Brave is on par or better than google.

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