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Unicorn – A full-stack web framework for Django

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Re: Unicorn – A full-stack web framework for Django

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Post by sgt »

EmilStenstrom wrote: post #29

Django was a "batteries included" framework about 10 years ago. But the core team had very strong opinions about javascript, saying that picking a javascript framework should NOT be part of those batteries. Time has passed, and javascript is now part of every single website or app we build. Django still doesn't give any help to developers that wants to build a modern site. My opinion: They should go the Phoenix Live…

As someone who builds Django sites, I know very well that at some point you end up using JavaScript in some fashion. However, to start off with a typical Django project you will be perfectly fine with normal forms. From that point on your can adopt Unicorn, htmx, or even VueJS apps using your API.

It's important to note that most users do not care whether a page refreshes or not. That's mostly the developers - being used to SPA's and frameworks. You can build basic requirements very rapidly with Django as-is.

Re: Unicorn – A full-stack web framework for Django

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Post by pjerem »

sjamaan wrote: post #37
EmilStenstrom wrote: post #29

Django was a "batteries included" framework about 10 years ago. But the core team had very strong opinions about javascript, saying that picking a javascript framework should NOT be part of those batteries. Time has passed, and javascript is now part of every single website or app we build. Django still doesn't give any help to developers that wants to build a modern site. My opinion: They should go the Phoenix Live…

If they had chosen a JS framework as part of the batteries, that framework probably would've been deprecated by now. For instance, who still builds websites with Angular or Backbone/Marionette anymore? See also Rails, which did choose a battery quite early on: prototype.js. Well, that was a wrong decision, so they changed it to jQuery (which is now also deprecated; no idea what it supports nowadays) and also dropped…

> Angular

A LOT of companies ?

Re: Unicorn – A full-stack web framework for Django

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Post by Takennickname »

devmunchies wrote: post #30
pabe wrote: post #4

I wondered how Unicorn compared to htmx. They're giving an answer on their website: htmx and alpine.js are great libraries to provide interactivity to your HTML. Both of those libraries are generalized front-end framework that you could use with any server-side framework (or just regular HTML). They are both well-supported, battle-tested, and answers to how they work are probably Google-able (or on Stackoverflow). Un…

I wouldn’t consider htmx “battle tested”.

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Re: Unicorn – A full-stack web framework for Django

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Post by sgt »

My first thought when seeing their validation examples - when I build a Django app and add validations, I start off with a normal form that does a full submit. This is the easiest to get going. As requirements become a bit more complex, I might add JS validation so that a POST is not necessary. Looking at their validation examples:

https://www.django-unicorn.com/examples/validation

This does a POST each time, albeit automatically on typing. It still means a lag for a kind of validation that could have been done client side.

Re: Unicorn – A full-stack web framework for Django

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Post by melx »

EmilStenstrom wrote: post #29

Django was a "batteries included" framework about 10 years ago. But the core team had very strong opinions about javascript, saying that picking a javascript framework should NOT be part of those batteries. Time has passed, and javascript is now part of every single website or app we build. Django still doesn't give any help to developers that wants to build a modern site. My opinion: They should go the Phoenix Live…

That's the exact reason I mostly stopped developing using Django and decided to learn Elixir. I hate JS and try to use as little as possible on my projects, and LiveView is a god send. Also, the neat integration with Tailwind CSS is out of the box in Phoenix.

Re: Unicorn – A full-stack web framework for Django

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Post by mst »

pjerem wrote: post #42
sjamaan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had chosen a JS framework as part of the batteries, that framework probably would've been deprecated by now. For instance, who still builds websites with Angular or Backbone/Marionette anymore? See also Rails, which did choose a battery quite early on: prototype.js. Well, that was a wrong decision, so they changed it to jQuery (which is now also deprecated; no idea what it supports nowadays) and also dropped…

> Angular A LOT of companies ?

I suspect they mean original Angular (i.e. AngularJS) rather than the reboot just called Angular.

Certainly AngularJS was more contemporary with Backbone and was actually both relatively pleasant to use in its era and long outpaced now.

Re: Unicorn – A full-stack web framework for Django

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Post by jeremycarter »

pjerem wrote: post #42
sjamaan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had chosen a JS framework as part of the batteries, that framework probably would've been deprecated by now. For instance, who still builds websites with Angular or Backbone/Marionette anymore? See also Rails, which did choose a battery quite early on: prototype.js. Well, that was a wrong decision, so they changed it to jQuery (which is now also deprecated; no idea what it supports nowadays) and also dropped…

> Angular A LOT of companies ?

Oh. I don't know. Just half of the biggest sites in the world from Google...
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