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The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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From Wikipedia, the Guggenheim can apparently show about 6% of it's collection at any one point. Seems like there's a fairly obvious way to generate more money there. But no, it's the union's fault they have money problems.

Deaccession is controversial and often legally gray due to stipulations by donors that work is never to be sold.

If you're interested, see https://news.artnet.com/art-world/brauer-museum-controversia... for a recent example.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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Until a few years ago you could walk into the NY public museums and just ask them to give you a ticket for free (or for one dollar), which I think was reasonable. They didn't advertise this "trick" so most people still paid the recommended fee but as someone who visited the museums quite a lot I found it really nice. They recently changed it so that only NY+NJ residents can choose their own ticket price.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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The focus of the major American Museum has become the same focus that, unfortunately, has overtaken a lot of other non-profits. It's not to show a collection. It's to make money. And they dump a lot of resources in the marketing, fundraising and consultants, and blame 'wages' of the people who make 45k with, maybe, 2% yearly increases, when they jack up the prices.

All financial data for a nonprofit in the US is public. IRS form 990.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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Until a few years ago you could walk into the NY public museums and just ask them to give you a ticket for free (or for one dollar), which I think was reasonable. They didn't advertise this "trick" so most people still paid the recommended fee but as someone who visited the museums quite a lot I found it really nice. They recently changed it so that only NY+NJ residents can choose their own ticket price.

I'm not sure how recent this is, but in 2018 the Met price was "how much you feel like giving".

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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In addition to the other excellent recommendations here, I'll shamelessly plug my local museums, the Smithsonian. They're a world-class collection of over a dozen major museums in D.C., and all free for the benefit of the public. If you haven't been, go.

Facilities like the Udvar-Hazy Center for Air & Space charge for parking, but admission is free. If you're in Downtown D.C., this matters much less of course.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get "conservation" in the terms of art. They should keep art safe so that someday it may be seen? Why not let it be seen now? I bet they could even lease out a fair amount of it with requirements of maintenance and some amount of public accessibility. That alone would drive down their costs at least.

Lease it to whom? All the other museums are in the same scenario. There's more art of value than there is space to show it, so we rotate stuff in and out with special exhibitions and whatnot.

Offices or galleries. I imagine a fair number of businesses would be willing to pay for Guggenheim approved art, and though making it accessible to the public may be difficult they could allow scheduled viewings.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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post #33

I’m not sure what the difference is between something like the Guggenheim in NYC or the Tate Modern in London, but you can walk into the Tate without having to pay anything at all. Is there lots of government funding in the UK for the museum sector that doesn’t exist in the states?

So, the epiphany to have here, is that for many countries — but not the US! — historical cultural sites and artefacts (not just museums, but also things like monuments and land features) are a large draw for foreign tourists. People fly to Paris just to visit the Louvre ; people visit Egypt just to see the pyramids ; etc. These "historied" cities have built up powerful hospitality industries around foreign visitors t…

I kind of disagree with your premise here, at least in some specifics. MoMA and The Met in NYC absolutely do have a draw for foreign tourists, and are full of them. Both require tourists to pay the full ticket price to get in. LA too has serious museums that attract international tourists.

DC similarly has a huge number of museums that draw in foreign tourists, it's just that they're almost all Smithsonian museums, which are free to everyone.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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From Wikipedia, the Guggenheim can apparently show about 6% of it's collection at any one point. Seems like there's a fairly obvious way to generate more money there. But no, it's the union's fault they have money problems.

Deaccession is controversial and often legally gray due to stipulations by donors that work is never to be sold. If you're interested, see https://news.artnet.com/art-world/brauer-museum-controversia... for a recent example.

The legal issues I understand, but the controversy seems to be that art directors decided it shouldn't be done.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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post #33

I’m not sure what the difference is between something like the Guggenheim in NYC or the Tate Modern in London, but you can walk into the Tate without having to pay anything at all. Is there lots of government funding in the UK for the museum sector that doesn’t exist in the states?

So, the epiphany to have here, is that for many countries — but not the US! — historical cultural sites and artefacts (not just museums, but also things like monuments and land features) are a large draw for foreign tourists. People fly to Paris just to visit the Louvre ; people visit Egypt just to see the pyramids ; etc. These "historied" cities have built up powerful hospitality industries around foreign visitors t…

I see, now, it makes complete sense. I'm sure museums in France are free for French citizen under 25 and the unemployed in order to draw in more tourists which would come and pay anyway. That has absolutely nothing to do with these countries actually seeing access to culture as a public good and valuing education.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, the epiphany to have here, is that for many countries — but not the US! — historical cultural sites and artefacts (not just museums, but also things like monuments and land features) are a large draw for foreign tourists. People fly to Paris just to visit the Louvre ; people visit Egypt just to see the pyramids ; etc. These "historied" cities have built up powerful hospitality industries around foreign visitors t…

I kind of disagree with your premise here, at least in some specifics. MoMA and The Met in NYC absolutely do have a draw for foreign tourists, and are full of them. Both require tourists to pay the full ticket price to get in. LA too has serious museums that attract international tourists. DC similarly has a huge number of museums that draw in foreign tourists, it's just that they're almost all Smithsonian museums, w…

My argument is that the foreign tourists who visit these places would be visiting NYC either way, and are just visiting these sites while they're in NYC, with something else having drawn them there. These sites are serving as part of a portfolio of factors that make NYC an interesting place to visit, but they don't manage to draw tourists all on their own in a way where reducing the ticket price to them would make a foreign tourist more likely to book a flight to America as a whole, just to go to NYC, just to go to that site.

Consider the "gap-year" 20-something who "travels Europe" by just staying in each country a few days to visit the cultural sites while staying at a hostel. To such a person, the equivalent cultural sites in the US are basically inaccessible. (Not that such a person is the sort of high-hospitality-ROI that a city would plan around; but their presence as a "keystone species" indicates that a hospitality-loss-led economy is functioning the way it should.)

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